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02-12-2013 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fisherist
Hello, i grind 3r 180 man, but some time ago i started do think that some times it is dificult to calculate the real roi in this tournaments because the average tournament are registered on sharkscope as an average 10$ tournament. But sometimes i spend a few more in this tournaments.

So i started to question my self, it is good to make rebuy's or it is better to simple open a new tournament?
Now i try to mix in doing rebuy's and not doing to equilibrate with sharkscope, but i noticed that my roi is significantly worst.

I would like to discuss this with you.

Regards, and i'm sorry for my weak english.

note: i do the inicial rebuy, the question are in doing rebuy when we loose all the chip's
i'm thinking to start playing theses and this seems byfar the best statergy.
02-12-2013 , 03:44 PM
shen -- 8,130 $1.48 $9.62 15.8% $12,013 -- 3r only

never let yourself get below 1501 chips. double rebuy all the way to addon


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no srry i dont coach
02-12-2013 , 09:40 PM
And the most arrogant post of the year goes to........ *drumroll*........ burnJa!
02-12-2013 , 10:49 PM
whats arrogant about it? I guess I'd be jelly of that graph too if i was making 1$ a game.

i never post graphs or talk abotu my results, but someone said to watch shen cuz he plays 3r with 1 bullet. I rebuy. just showing the difference between rebuying and not rebuying and I didnt wanna get PMs about coaching
02-12-2013 , 11:34 PM
sry for the low blow about your results. tbh im flattered you think im being arrogant. does that make me more arrogant???

<3
02-12-2013 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
whats arrogant about it?
What's not?


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Originally Posted by burnJa
I guess I'd be jelly of that graph too if i was making 1$ a game.
a) I'm not jelly
b) I make > $2 a game @ 180s
c) Sick sample size

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Originally Posted by burnJa
i never post graphs or talk abotu my results, but someone said to watch shen cuz he plays 3r with 1 bullet. I rebuy. just showing the difference between rebuying and not rebuying and I didnt wanna get PMs about coaching
Comparing apples with oranges is fun. If Shen is using 1 bullet, and you're fully reloading whenever possible, you're comparing an ABI of ~$5 with an ABI of ~$12. Sharkscope doesn't track that difference. So it massively underestimates Shens results, and massively overestimates yours. You've shown no difference whatsoever, just pumped your own tires up. Good work.
02-12-2013 , 11:51 PM
i offered advice and showed my results to back up my statement. if you put in half as much effort on your poker as you do your 2+2 posts maybe you'd have better results.. lol ****in a bro i didnt wanna start a war. just admit those results are way better than yours and you took it as me bragging when really i put in 5 years of work to be where im at today
02-13-2013 , 12:01 AM
and btw, shen rebuys all the time. but he only buys 1500
02-13-2013 , 12:02 AM
Whoa.

FWIW, I agree with always double rebuy and addon. I'm just highlighting that the way you're trying to make your point is wrong. You comparing your results to shen's and posting sharkscope graphs is so off base because sharkscope doesn't even reflect the difference between double rebuying and not rebuying... DUCY your first point just looked like a brag when it doesn't prove the point you're trying to make?

And lol at posting a 3k tourney graph and flexing your muscles about 5 years hard work. Time well spent.

I wasn't looking for a war either, you're the one who started calling people out about results (how about you filter me for 180s before being a pr!ck?).

And how about you post your SN if you're going to keep comparing yourself?
02-13-2013 , 12:38 AM
man ur thinking too much and kinda being ignorant. PLO UFO suggested watching shen play the 3r because he plays will 1 barrel. i posted my results (double rebuy) vs his results(no double rebuy) to compare. obv sharkscopes 3r graphs arent accurate. everyone knows that. but you can still easily deduce that double rebuy is a better strat. remember you were the dude that came in here and started ****
02-13-2013 , 12:42 AM
its tough to pay for a SS sub when ur making 1$ a game so ill help you out on ur request.

4,798 $2.46 $9.65 25.3% $11,803

not too bad if it was accurate. ya i agree, its probably >2$ a game

do you realize i posted a comparison because thats what this thread is about? rebuying vs not rebuying? lol
02-13-2013 , 12:42 AM
what double rebuying later is -ev im not leveling its math you stall for the addon and get free 500 chips. If your a really good player its null to + ev because your chips are worth more but still. mikeypeice is the worst poster ive ever seen
02-13-2013 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
man ur thinking too much and kinda being ignorant. PLO UFO suggested watching shen play the 3r because he plays will 1 barrel. i posted my results (double rebuy) vs his results(no double rebuy) to compare. obv sharkscopes 3r graphs arent accurate. everyone knows that. but you can still easily deduce that double rebuy is a better strat. remember you were the dude that came in here and started ****
shens doing ok for his abi. He probably has a higher roi thrn you. Yes sharkscope is off that much. More on what I said before, people overestimate the edge of having a big stack in these. YOur also getting more spots with a shorter stack which is good for your hourly (you double up or bust faster). SO it doesint make much sense to pay more for chips when you dont have too. Optimul chip making stacksizes in these are 9-12, 13-15 is awkward. Even if it helps your edge doesint neccasarily mean it helps your hourly.

Last edited by MoViN.tArGeT; 02-13-2013 at 12:58 AM.
02-13-2013 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
but someone said to watch shen cuz he plays 3r with 1 bullet.
You´re all over the place making a fool of yourself man, Shen doesnt play with 1 bullet he just singles buy in from the start and then double rebuys everytime and always add on.
I was the one who started the thread and did it having shen in mind cuz he uses that strategy and i was a horse of his for a while so wanted to get some feedback from others turbos 180s regulars about the topic.
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just showing the difference between rebuying and not rebuying
That was exactly shen´s point, he said that by not double rebuying from the start didnt affect that much your results over a decent sample at the $3r so balancing what you would be "loosing" in terms of equity/money by not double rebuying from the start and the amount of money that you have "saved" by also not double rebuying from the start its what dictated whether or not you SHOULD double rebuy from the start.
Of course, double rebuying from the start its always going to be +EV, thats not whats under discussion here just that if by NOT double rebuying from the start (But once again ALWAYS double rebuying and add on) its actually more +EV, thats it.
02-13-2013 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
what double rebuying later is -ev im not leveling its math
can you show me numbers to back that up?

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Originally Posted by Potamito
You´re all over the place making a fool of yourself man, Shen doesnt play with 1 bullet he just singles buy in from the start and then double rebuys everytime and always add on.
dude if ur gonna come outta nowhere with a statement like that u better know what ur talking about. Do you even play the 3r? I havent seen you in like a year.

the last 5000 hands ive played with shen-- ive yet to see him double rebuy after busting his first barrel. always seen him just rebuy for 1500.
02-13-2013 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
its tough to pay for a SS sub when ur making 1$ a game so ill help you out on ur request.
I have a sub buddy, was telling you to filter so you can compare "like" statistics seeing as you love to dick measure so much. You're graph wouldn't look so sexy if you had thousands of HS hypers and HU games in it, either.

If you want to call people out, at least have the decency to compare the same fkn games.
02-13-2013 , 02:14 AM
see dude thats the whole problem here. you think i came in here to brag and put shen down for not having as good of results as me. then you start ****.

above the graph i posted it clearly states that its a 3r only graph. at the end of shens statistics is clearly says -- 3r only. if someone else came in here and say PLayer X does well at only 1 barreling, i would compare his results to mine too.

this is what i get for offering some advice? lol byebye
02-13-2013 , 02:19 AM
And I was pointing out that when we are debating rebuying vs not rebuying, comparing sharkscope graphs is so lol. Because...

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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
shens doing ok for his abi. He probably has a higher roi thrn you. Yes sharkscope is off that much.
I poke some fun at you for what looked like a brag post, and you flip out and start being incredibly condescending. Sorry I struck a nerve. Well done on your results so far.
02-13-2013 , 02:22 AM
ive been drinking tonight, dropping alot of bros and dudes in my posts. it doesnt read well, i agree. i never wanted to start a beef man!

<3

and its not a beef. im not even angry. thats the problem with reading/typing compared to IRL
02-13-2013 , 06:58 AM
pre black friday 180 brags itt, cool stuff
02-13-2013 , 08:09 AM
When we reached the Addon period, what is the maximum stack to perform the addon?
Example: If we had a 15K stack after rebuy period, is profitable to add more 2K at our stack? Is there any relation stack/addon chips?
02-13-2013 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Aliquantum
And I was pointing out that when we are debating rebuying vs not rebuying, comparing sharkscope graphs is so lol. Because...



I poke some fun at you for what looked like a brag post, and you flip out and start being incredibly condescending. Sorry I struck a nerve. Well done on your results so far.
that wasint even at you bro im so confused im not burnja this whole thread needs to chill the **** out also im like rly sick
02-13-2013 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TiJoao
When we reached the Addon period, what is the maximum stack to perform the addon?
Example: If we had a 15K stack after rebuy period, is profitable to add more 2K at our stack? Is there any relation stack/addon chips?
i suggest adding on everytime, even with 25k after rebuy period. the extra 3.19$ will pay off. for the times you take a bad beat and get knocked down to 2-4k shortly after the addon, these extra 2000 chips can be the different between a 12$ loss and a 500$ gain
02-13-2013 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
that wasint even at you bro im so confused im not burnja this whole thread needs to chill the **** out also im like rly sick
he misquoted or something. he loves you and hates me.
02-13-2013 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pokegrif
pre black friday 180 brags itt, cool stuff
grif you know whats up. why you gotta 2nd guess lol. ya 2500 games in 3 months, pretty weak. 180s are my money maker anymore tho

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