Hi.
I would like your opinions on this.
The 180p 3+R turbo is a very exploitable tournament. It's full of beginners and i find that you get a very easy 9$ tournament (payout wise) with a field of complete beginners.

My question if for your opinion. How would you play it in terms of buy ins and add ons.

obviously, you'll get a higher ROI only buying in once. So in a perfect world where you can play as many tournaments as you want simultaneously that is the preferred option.

But. the tournament is a turbo and the payout structure is VERY top heavy. 30% for the winner 20% for 2nd and 11% for 3rd. so that minimized the effects of ICM, meaning the extra 1500 chips will be worth almost as much as the first 1500. do you think ICM justifies not getting the 1500 rebuy for a double stack?

also, what is your opinion on the 2000 chips add-on? I haven't quite decided. I usually take it when my stack is relatively small compared to the average, only to gain equity.

More chips = more final tables. More final tables = more $ imo.

There will be more bad players left in the field the earlier in the tournament it is, therefore you should be looking to take as many chips off these players as soon as possible. Therefore I always double rebuy and add on.

This is what I do. Except I don't add on if I run well and get a 12K stack or so. Don't know is that's good or not though.

And 2x autorebuy until addon, or maybe leave tournament at 75-150 if bust?

Higher ABI than the 8s = more real money variance.

The more chips in play the more its going to cost you win the tournament, hence the variance its going to be bigger. In a non-rebuy turbo 180 there are 270,000 chips in play, in a $3r there are normally like 3-4 times more chips in play.

+ev player, always rebuy and always add on, ps rebuys and addons are rake free, swag

Actually the most important thing has been already said:
If you already invested money in the tournament its highly +ev to buy yourself another piece of the prizepool. Look at this like this:
At the beggining of the tourney you pay, let's say $6.69 for a share of ~$1.2k.
If you rebuy at 75/150 you buy yourself a piece of ~$1.5k for 6.38. Bargain!
Also, the pure profit comes from ppl who left before addon. Imagine the tournament: 150 man turbo + $200 added! Bargain again!
The rule is simple: the closer to addon the more profitable is rebuy.
In terms of double/single rebuy its actually a matter of taste. Recently I have been experimenting with single rebuys and for + surely are:
- lower abi (mine was around ~$8.5)
- lower av duration time
- easier decisions (less postflop play, especially vs regs)
There are also downsides:
- not getting max value vs weaker players with double rebuy
- smaller $/game

What needs to be considered is your hourly. I think this is the only thing that matters. With single rebuy your true roi will be probably higher than with double but your $/game is it should be calculated like #games per hour * $/game.

I personally prefer deeper stacks so double rebuy is the way to go

BTW, I dont think these games are very soft, as many ppl say. Yesterday I had a sng with 20 left where 16 guys were regs. Still, if you work hard enough and play solid the game is one of the most profitable around.

See you at the tables

THIS, but WITHOUT the "SWAG" obv

180s are dead guys, move on.. seriously stop playing them.. srsly.. you guys.. nothing to see here.. move along.. move along..

I think the only mistake people make in these is double rebuying after the 150/100 level

leveling?

Is there anyone who playes 3,5r with just single buy in? There is big discussion here.
Find someone who doesnt and someone who does rebuy. set up acceptional but the same volume for both and then compare what is best.
Ex. 2000 games w/o rebuy x% roi and profit
2000 games w/ rebuy x% roi and profit

I also wonder what is achievable roi in these for both rebuy+add on and not rebuy. Any one could give me an idea? I know I can sharkscope many players to find out but when I dont know if and how much they rebuyin then results are not right

I have been experimenting with single rebuys and my av BI was around 8.5 so if you ss someone remember to add around 1$ per game. The same goes to double rebuyers, where you need to take ~1.3$ per game from their profits. As far as I remember I saw one guy playing with single rebuys, underdogggg@.

fyp

Woud be as inaccurate as a 20k sample of hypers.

where did those go??

keep donating money there gogo

It's simple, always rebuy to the fullest and seek opportunities to multiply your stack before add-on. Always make an add-on. I am winning in 180 men sngs and so far this was my strategy in 3r.

not need to tolk about only 1 turney total buyin , I think its just about ur avarage buyin on that turbo turneys , if you played more then 750 sample and ur avarage is between 12-20 $ its to much for these kind of turneys ...

someone watch Shen888 play a 3r and then report back here what they observe..

There is some extra value in that addon, so at least single rebuy until then. Wouldn't buy doule when addon is close, because there is less time to make profit with the 1500 bought. Basically you normally get 1600-1700 chips with 3.19 so whenever you buy 1500 for that price you need to put the money into work.

Important note: average 180-man freezeout turbo takes 36 min (for me, I'm faster than average 13/12 reg for sure), but I imagine rebuy 180-mans take closer to one hour on average. So you need close to double ROI in rebuy ones.

I'm only playing 8$ and 15$ for this reason.

Make all rebuys you can and increase the pot. =)

I was wondering whats the strategy to the re buy $3.50 180 mans.
Are you more likely to show a bigger profit if you don't re buy, also should you always add on as well

what considerations do you have to factor in before deciding whether or not to re buy

The more chips you have the bigger you can double up again and again and again.