u need to use Tournament Parser for that...

I get stars to send me an audit then put it in open office

"I get stars to send me an audit then put it in open office"

cheers guys i will check these out when i have a decent sample

I asked stars for an audit for just 3rs they gave me a pretty sweet audit with all the totals for buyin/rake/games/cashes/net profit. Maybe they will give you same thing if you email them. My avg buyin was $10.41 w/ the 2 at beginning then single till add on

oh i just remembered i got mine by just doing the math in PT4. I just added up all my (as in the actual buyin amount $3.5 and rebuy+addon amount $3.19)tournaments+rebuys+addons then divided by the number of tournaments, gave me $11.30. hope that makes sense

Giving that PokerStars is now raking rebuys and addons what is the optimal strategy now?

I don't think anyone can say for sur what's optimal now, after people build up some volume using different strategies then we'll have a better idea! I know that doesn't help much but it's what it is for now

After I bust I only single rebuy not double as I did before some people are using a single bullet and not double rebuying at the beginning it will take some time to see what works best

I have always double rebought and always add on. Now im going to have to review if this is still the best strategy for me. Following is just my thoughts on this decision making process. This post is to stimulate discussion and this is only opinion and presented as such. Im not arguing an absolute truth. this is a grey area with layers of variables overlapping one another with various amount of relative importance.

Now lets assume for the rest of this post that the optimal strategy may be some where between always using single bullets and always using max buy in strategy.

Now we are using a mixed buy-in strategy we can use factors in game to differentiate between which one we should employ in any given tournament.

1.a Our table composition/dynamics

Reg to rec ratio our position relative to each. Any Whales present what position is it/they to us? Data / sample size on individuals. have we identified any exploitable leaks? is our stack size going to allow us to exploit these tendencies?

1b. Chance of being moved from this table. (I need to consider this and factors that effect it in more detail)

2. Stack Utility of both the single rebuy and double rebuy. Is our stack likely to have decent FE when open shoving? what about 3 bet shoving? are we going to have an awkward stack size?

3. Effective stack sizes and the limitations it makes upon our play/options. How often is our stack size going to be effective. The deeper i am the more exploitative i play the shallower i am the more i revert to Push fold, GTO type play. We assume a greater edge when we have a deeper stack

4. a.The effect rebuying more has on the chance we are going to have a bullying stack approaching bubble ( the deeper the average stack is compared to our rebought stack the more negligible this concern becomes.)

4.b Conversely the effect rebuying less has on the chance we are going to have to be in those positions where we are going to have to make -EV shoves when small stacked (because we are thinking this is the least -Ev we are likely to get or we think we need to preserve FE)

5. Whats our table image and what effect is it going to have on the game.

6. Are we likely to be playing our A game after we rebuy. If not how close to our A game are we likely to play? Does this have a positive expectation vs the opponents we are likely to encounter. ( not so important mid session but still worth asking yourself the question, it may be time to end session)

7. At what point are we in the tournament exactly, looking at say the top 20 in tournament assuming information on player pool is it covered with regs or are there a load of whales emerged from fish.

8.etc etc

9. more variables i havent thought of!

10. even more variables i havent thought of!!!

Obviously we would just have to make an assesment of these factors and others in game. Even if we could quantify these doing so would be impossible as we only get a few seconds to make the desicion.

The point of this post is im thinking if there is some edge to be gained from a mixed buy in strategy and these advantages out weigh the ease of choosing auto options then we have gained edge. We are effectivly (to a lesser extent) bringing some of the advantages of table selection to a format where we had no such decisions.

We may be able to utilise this edge from the very outset by single buy-in buying in and evaluate the tournament a few hands in. Although if for example we believe the table is likely to be unfavourable to us in regards to reg/rec composition then it could be argued we shouldnt of registered in the first place.

Interestingly a lot of our decision will be based on the table we are sat at. In a mtsng we need to really look at how likely it is we are going to be moved. I havent really given this much consideration as its out of our control, but if the probability of this event is going to be part of our decision making process. It needs considering.

thoughts?

I've recently moved to PS $2.50 180man from 888 $1.00 36man and am considering what size bankroll I would need for my next level and this topic has been on my mind. Obviously a $7 BI would allow me to move up much sooner than $10.50+.

So we're seeking the highest value investment our $3.30 + $0.20 when considering whether to rebuy or enter a new tournament. I see the most value in entering a new tournament, starting back at 10/20 and seeing more hands. Rebuying with rake seems no different to me than joining a tournament in late registration, why join late and miss hands when we have an advantage in those hands? Especially after some of the very worst players have likely been eliminated. I would consider exceptions to be a particularly soft table, or to keep spots occupied when opening tables.

Regarding the add-on, I always auto if the add-on is greater than starting stack. It's like "buy a second starting stack, get 33% extra free!!". Besides that, in these $3.50 rebuys you're effectively losing BBs if you don't take it as almost everybody else will. I've not put much thought into add-ons but it feels like a no brainer auto.

If you play it like a freezeout, it is the lowest rake game on whole stars.

How about now? By now we must have some decent sample size to determine what is the best and lower variance strategy to adopt when playing these bad boys...thoughts?

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I've recently moved up to the $3.50 rebuys on stars and I'm unsure how my Rebuy strategy should be.

Currently, I am rebuying straight away to start the tourney with 6k chip, but I have noticed a few of the regular players that I encounter are not rebuying, and trying to survive until the add-on with 1 BI - if they are knocked out they are double re-buying.

Should I be trying to get through without rebuying straight away?

I play them as a standard FO because 3.30+0.20 is a way better deal than 2.28+0.22

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nit

I used to have a max buy in strategy. Since the nerf I switched to single buy in, and then evaluate 1st table. buying 2x if say I have two big stacked fish to my right. Always adding on though.

do u add on?

Is there a rebuy strategy that any of you would suggest for a new player at the $3.50s until they better understood it?

definitely A.

I would rebuy in the first 2 blind levels, because the bb/100 will be higher with a deep stack and the rake is lower than other SNGs. I would always addon, because it's 2000 chips instead of 1500.

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Now I think that only in the first 2 blind levels is a bit nit. Now I believe that 25/50 is the last blind level I should rebuy. Any thoughts?
I see some regulars rebuying a lot, but we can't know if they are profitable or not, because sharkscope uses the av rebuy amount from the field, instead the actual rebuy amount from each player. So sharkscope tends to show that people who rebuy less are less winner than people who rebuys a lot.

I use a 2.35 average rebuy criteria to adjust players results

What is your rebuy strategy at this SNG?

always double rebuying and addon

What is the last blind level do you rebuy?
I still think the last good blind level to rebuy is 25/50. I'm considering double rebuying according to the stack sizes on the table, specially at blinds 25/50. If people have more than the starting stack, double rebuying will increase my bb/100. I always addon.

The prize pool of this tournament is equivalent to a $10 180p sng, that is no reason to be nit. I know I would get a higher ROI if I play it like a freezeout, but we need to think about hourly rate as well. We need to find the best rebuy strategy.