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 180-Man ICM Spot w/ 5 left  180-Man ICM Spot w/ 5 left

03-15-2014 , 05:27 PM
As we all know (or should know) all the money is in the top 3 of 180 mans. This is obv a great spot for the CL to rejam here and put a ton of ICM pressure on my open. I don't wanna hear about whether or not I should open jam this pre, I just would like to know what range you guys are calling off in this spot. I was thinking something like JJ+ and AK, but I could be wrong

PokerStars - $13.77+$1.23|2000/4000 Ante 400 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 54,666
BTN: 85,826 (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 28.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 31)
SB: 72,245 (VPIP: 35.90, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)
BB: 36,494 (VPIP: 31.51, PFR: 26.47, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 74)
UTG: 20,769 (VPIP: 25.40, PFR: 18.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 64)

5 players post ante of 400, SB posts SB 2,000, BB posts BB 4,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 8,000) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to 8,000, BTN raises to 85,426 and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 46,266 and is all-in
03-15-2014 , 11:57 PM
All the money is in the top spot in 180s. Villain has to be the worst nit in all of the kingdom of nits to consider folding. 99 AK+ easily good enough to get in.
03-16-2014 , 04:08 AM
^^^^^^ agree
03-16-2014 , 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaput_25
All the money is in the top spot in 180s. Villain has to be the worst nit in all of the kingdom of nits to consider folding. 99 AK+ easily good enough to get in.
fairly sure this is false. villain needs to be reshoving >26% for jj to be a call i believe, and >70% for 99 to be a call (assuming we have bubble factor 2.8 and need ~67.5% equity - this is my estimate). or is there some mitigating factor that cancels out some of the bubble factor?

with that said, my game is underdeveloped in the area of restealing, so it could be completely standard to shove >26% here for any reg at these stakes but i wouldn't know that. if that's the case, call - but that is where the question is.
03-16-2014 , 04:58 PM
JJ is easy call here for me. I don't understand why you don't want to hear anything about whether or not you should open shove here. I just really wonder what range you openshove here and what do you minraise/call. Do you actually have a minraise/fold range here?
btw, I jam pre.
03-17-2014 , 12:59 PM
Def calling, if villain is competent enough he is much wider than u assume as he should already adapt to your b/f tendencies.

Spoiler:
shoving pre is obv most optimal, def if u dont have any plan ahead against his 3b range
03-17-2014 , 02:34 PM
not going to say anything about you not shoving PF besides what has been said...

However, call-off range min-opening here is everything I am going to min open, so AJs+, 88+...not like we are raise folding 12.5BBs with JJ here, probably opening jamming 77-TT as an optimal play, but as far as your question to calling off, if we are opening it, we are calling it off here, which is AJs+, AKos obv and 88+
03-18-2014 , 04:53 AM
you have 10ADJ BB, min open range = 3bet calling range. can't open fold here IMO
I agree with with RUnningMan
03-18-2014 , 05:07 AM
However,
since you did min raise, and if you chose to min raise vs shove a perfect ICM range,and if villain did push perfect ICM over your min raise induce perfect ICM range, then your correct calling range would be QQ,KK,AA.

if that makes any sense. But I think villain is pushing wider than perfect ICM given stats.
Perfect ICM for villain is TT+,AQ+
Perfect ICM for you to shove (that you minraised) (23.2%) 33+,A2s+,A9o+,K5s+,KTo+,Q9s+,QTo+,J9s+,JTo,T9s

remember your stack represents a significant amount of his and correct ICM reflects this, but does villain have a clue.

      
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