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Old 02-21-2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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15$ 180, FT re jam spot

Hey guys, im new to this forum, im a SNG player, trying to grind through low stakes 45man and 180man, though only played about 4K tournies so far.
this is a spot in a FT of a 15-180. i just doubled up, villain seems like a solid reg, been chip leader throughout of FT and did well applying pressure with steal and re-steal spots. i would assume given the short stack he would re jam light here.

do you bet-call? open jam? bet fold?





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    Old 02-21-2012, 11:40 AM   #2
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    It's a standard bet/fold.
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    Old 02-21-2012, 11:43 AM   #3
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

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    It's a standard bet/fold.
    What do you think is an ideal re jam range in this spot, considering the 2bb stack in EP?
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    Old 02-22-2012, 02:06 AM   #4
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    can be pretty wide, you might be ahead marginally, but still It's a FOLD considering 2bb stack in EP.
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    Old 02-22-2012, 03:37 AM   #5
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    it depends on who the reg is. but no matter who it is, i am not r/c with A9o here.

    you would be in a really bad shape vs. any reasonable rejam hands.

    if you called here, you were just giving your lovely money to the short stacker, dont do it, we love money!!

    btw, $15 180s is not a low stake game
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    Old 02-22-2012, 07:26 AM   #6
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

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    it depends on who the reg is. but no matter who it is, i am not r/c with A9o here.

    you would be in a really bad shape vs. any reasonable rejam hands.

    if you called here, you were just giving your lovely money to the short stacker, dont do it, we love money!!

    btw, $15 180s is not a low stake game
    Its the highest i play right now, my sensi is set to sign me to 7$ 45 8$ 180 and the 15$ 45 and 180 so on ABI i play low stakes (10$).

    as a follow up, assuming a capable reg is jamming wide there if here precives me as a capable reg (since ICM wise i have to fold there the vast majority of my range) wouldn't bet-folding be the worse possible move? shouldnt i just jam/fold pre since i would get re jamed at more often then not?
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    Old 02-22-2012, 07:34 AM   #7
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    He should and would rejam pretty light here, if he sees you as competent. He knows you'd have to fold most of your range because of the shorty.

    I think there can be made a case for openjamming if both blinds are competent, or just recognizes the shortstack and ICM. They would have to fold pairs and big aces.
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    Old 02-22-2012, 07:37 AM   #8
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    He should and would rejam pretty light here, if he sees you as competent. He knows you'd have to fold most of your range because of the shorty.

    I think there can be made a case for openjamming if both blinds are competent, or just recognizes the shortstack and ICM. They would have to fold pairs and big aces.
    Yep, since both blinds are Regs they could only call with JJ+ AK IMO, putting the ICM pressure on villains, IMO open jamming there (even though the affective is 18bb) is better then bet-folding. also i think bet-calling is better then bet-folding if you consider villain and i will very likely meet in similar spots in future FT and that might make his re-steal range tighter against me (spite-call)
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    Old 02-23-2012, 01:51 AM   #9
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    i think by r/f to a reg, we balance our raise range here, sometime you are raising with A9o, but there's also time you do it with AA.

    not all the regs are going to exploit your min raise 100% of the time here. and open shoving with almost 18bb with A9o is some kind of spewy to me.

    it just needs to work 50% to make your min raise +EV. so i like r/f here. and again, never call a 3bet shove light here, its burning money.
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    Old 02-23-2012, 09:46 AM   #10
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    what do ppl think of shoving pre instead of raising pre?
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    Old 02-24-2012, 09:25 AM   #11
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    Against aggressive Regs A9o is too good for me to raise/fold.Its very exploitable to have a relatively big raise/fold Range against a competent bigstack in the Bigblind. I would shove it pre. Its massively +ev to shove. I guess you could shove 32o in theory here +ev but i wouldnt do it, because i dont want to take a big risk for a slightly +ev play.
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    Old 02-24-2012, 09:38 AM   #12
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    I guess I would open shove here, since you have a decent hand in this spot and this move is unexploitable, the reg would be able to call only with strong holdings here. Maybe if you had a very strong hand you could min raise with the intention of calling a rejam from him. I haven't done the calculation though. But I think it really depends on the player you are facing in this spot.
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    Old 02-27-2012, 05:02 AM   #13
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    vs good/agro monkey regs u can prob raise/call both
    vs good/semi agro regs u should just shove as they will resteal wide with hands they cant/wont call a shove with but not so much that u can raise/call. u need quite a lot of equity (they needa be really wide) to call a shove due to icm considerations.
    vs. tight ppl just raise/fold and dont tell anyone
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

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    vs good/agro monkey regs u can prob raise/call both
    vs good/semi agro regs u should just shove as they will resteal wide with hands they cant/wont call a shove with but not so much that u can raise/call. u need quite a lot of equity (they needa be really wide) to call a shove due to icm considerations.
    vs. tight ppl just raise/fold and dont tell anyone
    Pretty much this exactly. Shoving is not terrible but kinda spewy, which means I'd prob do it
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    Old 02-27-2012, 07:07 PM   #15
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    Re: 15$ 180, FT re jam spot

    ^ I've got no more to add
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