UTG raiser is an ok reg, the two callers are both fish. There are 3 very short stacks and not sure how much ICM will effect the decision 9 handed

Shove or fold?

Sure looks like a fold to me

i saw the flop^^

ok reg is probly not light there given shorties, mp2 is probly trapping, no idea what CO is doing there. i fold too, but not sure what i'm shoving

I would make a fold as the situation wants me to do and swear..

this spot is pretty absurd so i will give you an absurd response.
you should flat to setmine since you have the odds to do it.
~6.5k to win ~38k+2*32k*.9 total -> ~ 14:1 (asuming we get it in with 90% vs one guy if we hit. if we get it in vs 2+ guys the setmine will obv be even better)

folding here is absurd

calling is fml

shoving is cool

How the **** do we do anything but shove here? We're only worried about UTG+2's range right? The weird sizing probably means he's less likely trapping so I get it in here between 150% and 200% of the time

Nice spot to Jam for nearly a 90% gain.
Not too worried about the randoms but if know the 'ok' reg is a nit on FT's, id feel comfortable folding, flatting would not even enter my head.

lol the first raiser making a size like this with that stack size, given it's a reg, is kinda suspcious and i would probably take a note (or at least a mental note) of what he had regardless of your play.

that being said i get this in everytime, probably around 77 or 88+ AJs AQo if your only read is he is an ok reg

edit... if you put it into wiz it might say to be really tight cause of icm, since theres a guy with 1bb and another with 3bb
so with that info in light i might say 99+ AQ+ even though wiz will prob be even tighter.

btw fwiw i expect original raiser, being a reg, to fold less than 5% of the time once you shove.
but yeah so much dead manies man

never ever ever flat here (with anything)

Ugly spot. My gut would say shove but utg sizing is fishy. Hate smoothing here.
1.tank
2. Fold
3. Look away
4. ??
5. Next hand

fold after utg+2 reg makes that raise with 13bb.. you're dominated

loling@people who are suggesting folding

depends on the reg, but folding can be fine.
it really depends on reads, when you see him jam in this spot often and just minraise the nuts it's def ok.
lol at setmining.

Why are you folding over setmining?

Because setmining with this stack is to dirty for me.

folding is dirtier than a night with Tara Reid

Setmining is dirtier than a pedophiles harddrive.

care to explain why?

Setmining with 13bb is way too shallow for me, even though we are 4way and it's a minraise.
It's just really ugly. Especially when the flop comes something like 662 and we have to convince us to still fold.
I don't think I can bring up any logical reason, because furo already owned everyone in this thread with the math but I would still never do it.
Plus there's a 1bb and a 3bb stack.

it's folding ------------------>jamming->setmining for me.