10bb QQ minraise - MTTSNG -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Aluka · 06-17-2012, 03:12 AM

Is minraiseing in this spots a good alternative to pushing?

Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: 2,515 (12.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): 2,075 (10.4 bb)
SB: 3,640 (18.2 bb)
BB: 2,435 (12.2 bb)
MP1: 2,180 (10.9 bb)
MP2: 5,355 (26.8 bb)
MP3: 2,125 (10.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

4 folds, Hero raises to 400, SB calls 300, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,375) J

3

7

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 700, SB raises to 1,400, BB raises to 2,010 and is all-in, Hero calls 950 and is all-in, SB folds

Turn: (6,075) 8

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (6,075) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Spoiler:

Results: 6,075 pot
Final Board: J

3

7

8

9

Hero showed Q

Q

and lost (-2,075 net)
SB mucked and lost (-1,825 net)
BB showed 7

J

and won 6,075 (4,000 net)

MangoBall · 06-17-2012, 04:09 AM

Shove or minraise is fine. Id min raise, but ppl are dodgy about reshoving a 10BB stack light

tom4k · 06-17-2012, 07:06 AM

i'm shoving

semesa · 06-17-2012, 10:48 AM

he called you with J7... this should be information enough to realise minr is better in this spot.

Matt Wolfe · 06-17-2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semesa

he called you with J7... this should be information enough to realise minr is better in this spot.

this 100%, i dont get why people post these hands. some fish called and spiked 2 pair, would you have posted if he called you with AJ?

Birkin · 06-17-2012, 12:25 PM

Shove vs regs.

I prefer shoving vs fish too. I don't want him to flat a minraise with A8 when he'd clearly call a jam with it.

Martypartyy · 06-17-2012, 05:36 PM

shove

Gildo · 06-17-2012, 08:34 PM

Just shove.

XMenCypher · 06-18-2012, 04:57 AM

shove pre, min-raising here is really bad, it could only work in very specific situations and I don't think this one applies here

Chindo_Nights · 06-18-2012, 05:43 AM

+ everyone

Also, shoving balances your big hands with your more marginal bottom of range type hands. Just shove it

semesa · 06-18-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birkin

Shove vs regs.

I prefer shoving vs fish too. I don't want him to flat a minraise with A8 when he'd clearly call a jam with it.

I want him to flat with J7 when he clearly wouldn't call a jam with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chindo_Nights

+ everyone

Also, shoving balances your big hands with your more marginal bottom of range type hands. Just shove it

Balancing is extra-ordinarily overrated. Especially given this is a $1 tournament.

I'd say the only MTSNG where balance should even be considered is $60 180's/$60 45mans. Definitely NOT in $1 hypers

overcall · 06-18-2012, 03:57 PM

Just shove. You're letting in a lot of bad hands A-x, K-x hands in that would fold to a shove.

Matt Wolfe · 06-18-2012, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overcall

Just shove. You're letting in a lot of bad hands A-x, K-x hands in that would fold to a shove.

which is bad because?

(yes 30% of time an A or K will fall, other 70% we have the nuts)

Sokz · 06-18-2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overcall

Just shove. You're letting in a lot of bad hands A-x, K-x hands in that would fold to a shove.

Yeh hate that, always openshipping Jacks when 150bb deep cause else i have to fold preflop if there's a Queen or w/e on the board.

I like the minraise at these stakes, even though it's nutsy as hell (but they won't pay attention to that)

Birkin · 06-18-2012, 08:52 PM

Minraise pre if you think you can play perfectly on an A or K high flop. Otherwise shove.