don't like pre line,as played i snap call this one on flop

Yeah flat pre is better, 3b/f sucks.
I snap fold this flop, we are ahead only vs 99 and flipping vs KQhh an AKhh

yep, calling pre as well.

I hate folding the flop, but I do.

This.

flat pre

+1

any reads/stats on villain?

I don't mind 3b this pre vs some villains. flatting readless

I am calling the flop shove as played.
we 3 b this pre so I think we will be ahead on this flop a large part of the time and this is a good flop for our tens in a 3b pot. we beat a lot more than just 99, 77/66/55/44, all the top pair hands, all the flush draws, some gutshots A5, A4 etc...

so you think he is 4x-ing pre, shove over a 2/3 potsize donk (into 2 people on a relatively dry flop) with a gutshot?! edit: and calling our 3bet OOP with A5?!
if villain would be a ****** like that i think hero would have given us this information in the OP.
basically the same with pockets < 8, he is like never ever shoving 44, 55 etc here.
concerning top pair hands: i don't think he has any 8x in his range, you really see him calling A8, K8 calling OOP vs our large 3bet and a flatter?
only hand you will see once in a while imo is 89s.

for me this is still a easy fold, maybe your good sometimes, but most likely you will look into top range here

top range won't play this way most of the time unless V wants to play this really tricky, we made it enough pre for practically eliminating top range basically JJ+ which would probably never flat pre.

the only hands that beat us that play this way are 88 and possibly 22/33 if V is very loose, the rest of his range is filled with draws and pair+draws on this flop. obviously some draws are slightly ahead of us equity wise. so yes I think we are ahead most of the time or flipping vs stronger draws.

We will see 88 for set some times and much less 22/33

This is still very early stages of the tourney, ******s are not that uncommon this early

i still don't get you, sorry.

could you please give me a exact range he is 4x-ing UTG, calling the huge 3bet and shipping this flop.
you are just writing "the rest of his range is filled with draws and pair+draw on this flop"

btw. i am flatting my monsters pre every time of the week. 4betting a UTG 3better is always nuts and we are able to get it in on 2 streets

agree with aboulleil
my read: SB donks big = flush draw or 99,77 etc. definitely not set
UTG+2 why in hell he need to jam his flopped set now with Hero behind and original 3better,looks like flush draw for me
might be both have flush draws + you have one blocker
it's my personal read,thats why i call

of course his play is bad with nuts, but most people still jam their overpair here imo

without reads or stats. it is all guess work.

I doubt flatting a 3 bet with JJ+ oop vs 2 opponents is something that most player do. The fact that you do it, is not mean its general player tendencies.

if he is not a ******, He could flat with JJ if he sees Hero image is nitty which means he wont be jaming it on the flop with Hero still to act.

as I said, we will see sets sometimes 88 in utg hand and maybe sometimes 22/33 depending how wide he flats 3 bets. the rest of his range is all draws.

Hard for any of the two to have 2 pair hands on this flop, its either a pair, a set or some draw or combo or complete monkey play.

I am calling expecting to see a FD most of the time and sets sometimes.

you can't put an exact range without stats, its guess work but I will take a shot at it, assuming no stone cold bluffs:

AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ/98 all suited in hearts, 99-22
Add in there AKo/AQo for stone cold bluffs but I would not put much weight on it unless we have more read as Hero has shown considerable strength preflop

I would be a bit more worried on a 832r without the possible FD