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06-16-2016 , 02:06 PM

Genisys

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Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 14,942 (14.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 7,380 (7.4 bb)
UTG+2: 6,532 (6.5 bb)
MP1: 9,556 (9.6 bb)
MP2: 9,291 (9.3 bb)
MP3: 6,351 (6.4 bb)
CO: 5,734 (5.7 bb)
BTN: 7,714 (7.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

UTG+2 raises to 6,472 and is all-in, 7 folds

Spoiler:

So 7 players paid 8 left. Villain stats after 86 hands 29/21, been on his table for most of the tourney and noticed he played from early position a fair bit so possibly doesn't have a great concept of position.

But basically folded KQs here and I believe it was the correct thing to do on the bubble, but just wanted to check that I shouldn't be calling here.

Thanks

06-17-2016 , 12:18 PM

middleposition

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genisys

Villain stats after 86 hands 29/21

Thanks

why this ??

yeh i think I'm gii as well, blinds will hit us next hand ! if pple are icm aware they would be calling off super tight vs your shove from UTG... still is on the edge

06-17-2016 , 12:44 PM

Genisys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by middleposition

why this ??

yeh i think I'm gii as well, blinds will hit us next hand ! if pple are icm aware they would be calling off super tight vs your shove from UTG... still is on the edge

Sorry why what?

I think you might've misread this, I wasn't the one shoving, I'm asking whether calling or folding KQs vs a shove from EP is the better option.

06-17-2016 , 12:56 PM

middleposition

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UTG shoving his 11% and we call our 7% +- ... 99+, AJs+, AQo+

nf

06-18-2016 , 12:10 AM

Eirik227

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calling and pretty happy about it vs a 29/21 on the bubble

06-19-2016 , 03:01 PM

LektorAJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by middleposition

UTG shoving his 11% and we call our 7% +- ... 99+, AJs+, AQo+

nf

Where do you get those numbers from?

If villain is shoving 11% then I wouldn't call 7% on the bubble of a 45.

But generally it's not a call. We don't want flip here.

06-19-2016 , 06:35 PM

middleposition

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LektorAJ

Where do you get those numbers from?

If villain is shoving 11% then I wouldn't call 7% on the bubble of a 45.

But generally it's not a call. We don't want flip here.

hrc i ran the situation.... maybe is a matter of stack sizes and stuff... but if hrc says so.... I OBEY unless ofc we have some reads on villain, nit, lag etc!

06-20-2016 , 03:46 AM

Corpsey

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Ran this one, Nash ranges are:

UTG (14%): 88+, A2s+, ATo+, K9s+, KJo+, QTs+, JTs.
Hero (5%): TT+, AJs+, AQo+.

UTG would need to be shoving 37%+ for this to be a call.

06-20-2016 , 05:00 AM

Eldariukstis

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For ICM it would be TT+ AQs+ AKo, if vs reg I would prob go just a bit lighter +88 AQo+ AJs+

Overall think its a good fold

06-20-2016 , 05:35 AM

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LektorAJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corpsey

Ran this one, Nash ranges are:

UTG (14%): 88+, A2s+, ATo+, K9s+, KJo+, QTs+, JTs.
Hero (5%): TT+, AJs+, AQo+.

UTG would need to be shoving 37%+ for this to be a call.

+1

I don't have hrc so I don't claim to know my way around it, but it seems that the people who do have it don't know their way around it either but have a tendency to believe it too much. 11% vs 7% sounds more like chipEV ranges.

06-20-2016 , 07:01 AM

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middleposition

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LektorAJ

11% vs 7% sounds more like chipEV ranges.

I can assure u it was ICM .... and my man, in a FT i got dealt TT+ AQ+ vs any guy and I'm calling my a s s o f f with no hesitate.... Im tired of those monks who think they are ZEN-PPLE, in this situation on a 45's man ! EVERYONE CALL o f f with the cards i stated before even if villains are shoving 0.1% -we don't know that, and we get really excited when we are dealt these cards with 6BB- btw S c r e W the bubble i don't like min cashes ! tho i said and repeat KQs is a good fold !

06-20-2016 , 07:10 AM

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LektorAJ

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Looking again properly, what confused me is that the cards you state are only 5.4%. (6x6 pairs, 3x4 suited, 2x12 unsuited combos = 72 combos / 1326 = 5.4%)

I'm ambivalent enough about 9s not to be opposed the actual cards you mention, just the 7%.

06-20-2016 , 07:39 AM

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middleposition

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LektorAJ

I'm ambivalent enough about 9s not to be opposed the actual cards you mention, just the 7%.

According to hrc 99 would be + .07 but yeh we are not robots so we can prolly avoid this spot, but we gotta remember that UTG is gonna get hit for the blinds and after that he ll be shortest, so i ran a future game simulation, if by any mean UTG is icm and positional awareness he's gonna be shoving a bit wider : 25% or so, and we can include some hands in our range like 88, AJo, ATs...

But ofc this is a 1.5$ sng ! they shove only cards

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