Hey guys, what would your line be here? I thought like the best option is either to openshove, or to minraise with the intention of calling the shorter stack and folding to bigstack push. I picked the first one, because 44 is pretty good hand threeway, we have tons of fold equity and I dont like raise-calling it off against any of them, because we would be flipping at best for at least half of our stack. Although it seems to me that my range is pretty capped in this openshove situation.
Both of them are some sort of regs or semiregs, but I only use Jivaro, so no stats at the moment.

you can shove any pair here its fine in regards to GTO. its a very marginal +EV shove.
Shoving does make it simple and is maybe better then r/f especially if they are aggressive.
Without reads/stats table dynamics its hard to say. if they are pretty tight i like a r/f or r cbet if called. Reasons for this are 2 fold:-
1. If they are tight they 3 bet us less often and we are doing worse vs that range that does 3 bet us.
2. If they are tight 3 handed they are more likely going to be tight HU, we are therefore likely to have a large edge heads up. So if we loose our stack on a very low +EV shove where we are only getting a small reward for getting it through we lose out on huge + EV spots HU.

I feel very confident heads up. If you don't feel confident in your heads up game then this consideration is less important.

I must say Ive come from playing 6 man STT's so the majority of my 3 handed play has been subject to massive ICM consideration's so i could be plain wrong and the GTO +0.03 as given by hrc icm calculations is the right way to go.

having said that even if worse case scenario we raise c bet and fold our stack size utility doesn't change all that much our 3 bet shoves are still going to have plenty of FE.

against tough aggressive players i like the shove. If they are weak and i have an edge i dont like it as much.

[QUOTE=URagnatha;48689266]you can shove any pair here its fine in regards to GTO. its a very marginal +EV shove.
Shoving does make it simple and is maybe better then r/f especially if they are aggressive.
Without reads/stats table dynamics its hard to say. if they are pretty tight i like a r/f or r cbet if called. Reasons for this are 2 fold:-
1. If they are tight they 3 bet us less often and we are doing worse vs that range that does 3 bet us.
2. If they are tight 3 handed they are more likely going to be tight HU, we are therefore likely to have a large edge heads up. So if we loose our stack on a very low +EV shove where we are only getting a small reward for getting it through we lose out on huge + EV spots HU.

I feel very confident heads up. If you don't feel confident in your heads up game then this consideration is less important.

I must say Ive come from playing 6 man STT's so the majority of my 3 handed play has been subject to massive ICM consideration's so i could be plain wrong and the GTO +0.03 as given by hrc icm calculations is the right way to go.

having said that even if worse case scenario we raise c bet and fold our stack size utility doesn't change all that much our 3 bet shoves are still going to have plenty of FE.

against tough aggressive players i like the shove. If they are weak and i have an edge i dont like it as much.[
i would agree with uragantha..icm calcuations is the most important thing on ft...alsooo is the oppontnts are agressive shoveeee. nice play in my opinion

As I said, both villains seemed to be kinda reggy (not doing anything too badly and pushing and calling STD ranges according to the few hands we played on the FT), so it seems like push is the best option. I think, that their resteal range with just 3 players in would be pretty wide and I would hate raise folding against the shorter one.

Thanks for responses, guys.

45s, with 2nd place exactly halfway between 1st and 3rd, are very similar to 6 mans when playing 3-handed. In those circumstances you have a bubble factor of 1.5, meaning that with even stacks, the financial odds of going all in against another player are 1.5 to 1 against you - so you need at least a 60% chance of winning (or a ton of dead money from big antes) to call someone, or you need fold equity - which you often have because ICM pressure falls hardest on the callers.

So basically you don't want to induce and then flip with 44, just jam it and pick up the dead money.

Yup. KISS principle for 22-{77-99} depending on how long it's been 3h, and if one of the other two are regs.