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12-03-2012 , 06:45 PM
I'm embracing the Fire nerfs as a chance to got balls-out Frost. I can't decide if I want to take the plunge in to setting up Arcane as my second spec. If I have that much free time I'll probably end up doing PvP (and there's almost no chance I'm using Arcane in PvP) or leveling my Rogue.

Also,



I usually pause videos at the start and let them buffer for a while. Couldn't help but notice this.
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12-03-2012 , 07:31 PM
Yeahhhhh I noticed that too..the last few kills were in HoF and he probably just wasn't even thinking about it when he did the video.
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12-03-2012 , 07:31 PM
Hain,

How do you keep track of your Holy Power? I didn't see an addon that kept track of it near the center of your screen. Do you look at the top right corner or am I missing where it's displayed. I've found having to look up there for Holy Power, Combo points, etc. kind of distracting.
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12-03-2012 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by topher123890
Yeahhhhh I noticed that too..the last few kills were in HoF and he probably just wasn't even thinking about it when he did the video.
What boss has given you the most trouble? Was it because of a DPS check? Raid coordination? RNG?

Last edited by Aceium; 12-03-2012 at 07:33 PM. Reason: living vicariously through those of you that raid
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12-03-2012 , 08:18 PM
Nothing has really been that much of a problem so far. In my old guild, Gara'jal was a huge DPS check because our dps was bad, and because we rarely had the right comp online for it. In this guild, Gara'jal was a huge dps check because they did it a few weeks before my old guild, so significantly less gear. Spirit Kings took them a while, because people were dying to stupid (flanking orders, volley, killing yourself during cowarice, killing everyone by hitting them while the shield is up, the last one caused the guy that kept doing it to ragequit). But Spirit Kings also took a while because of all the resetting involved--for a first kill, it's pretty pointless to even try anything other than Qiang->Subetai as the first 2, so you would get maybe 15 "real" attempts in per night. And when someone dies to the first annihilation on one of those attempts, it really sucks.

Garalon took longer than it should have partly because of healing issues (lots of problems keeping up the kiters on the stairs for some reason) and partly because of coordination. We had some failed pheromone passes, and on one of our enrage attempts it would have been a kill but we ended up with split DPS on the boss and the last leg. If everyone focused on one or the other he would've died.

Wind Lord also took longer than it should have because of wind bombs. 8 different people hit wind bombs (including me, oops). The first couple ticks of corrosive resin HURT, so when you get it your immediate reaction is to gtfo, which caused people to run through bombs. It took us a while to understand that toward the 2nd half of the fight, there will be a lot of times where it's better to just die rather than risk running into a bomb, or putting someone else in a bad situation. 1 person dead >>>>>>> everyone dead.

Will took a LOT longer than it should have. We originally weren't going to do the ring of frost strat, but after the first night we decided we didn't have enough aoe to kill everything. We then spent a while working on the RoF strat, trying to refine all the timings of that. Eventually we got it pretty good, but then the lag started coming with all those rages back there frozen. That was a week or 2 before 5.1, so we decided to just move to HoF and wait on Will until after the patch. Last night on Will was our first time in about 2 weeks, and we were going into it with a completely different strat, so I wasn't exactly counting on killing it. The only thing that made it take a few hours last night was random stupid deaths, either to sparks or the dance or whatever. The only thing that could have made our kill cleaner is if our ****ing melee would stop getting hit by the dance so much.
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12-03-2012 , 08:20 PM
If you just base it on number of pulls, then Spirit Kings by far. But that is obviously skewed because of all the resetting involved. Besides that, I guess Will would be next with 91 pulls.

Last edited by topher123890; 12-03-2012 at 08:25 PM.
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12-03-2012 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
Hain,

How do you keep track of your Holy Power? I didn't see an addon that kept track of it near the center of your screen. Do you look at the top right corner or am I missing where it's displayed. I've found having to look up there for Holy Power, Combo points, etc. kind of distracting.
I usually just look at the top left corner if I need to. But generally, because I'm looking to the left-middle of my screen for VuhDo, I can see my HP in my peripheral vision. After a while, you get a clock in your head that gives you a general idea of where you're at, anyways.
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12-04-2012 , 01:58 AM
I keep getting mail from Gamble (aka TM, they server transferred and changed their name after the whole exploiting Gara'jal fiasco. Not sure exactly how many of them are still around, but if Sean is, and I think he is, that's enough to make me not want to go there). It seems like they wait until just when I get offline though to send it, like they don't want to actually talk. I was on my druid for a while, log off to get on my monk for a couple minutes, come back on my druid and I have mail...
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12-05-2012 , 10:25 AM
So, my guild is pretty much constantly hitting enrage at ~5% on Garalon for 25 man. And it's pretty much our range DPS holding us back, specifically, our two fire mages who are both pulling sub 50k DPS on Garalon -.-
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12-05-2012 , 10:30 AM
Are they usually that low or is it in the last week or so?
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12-05-2012 , 12:33 PM
They're usually pretty low to begin with. To compare, the 10th percentile for Fire Mages on 25man Normal Garalon is ~70k (69932 to be exact). The two mages did 47845 and 44534 respectively.
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12-05-2012 , 01:04 PM
I've only done Garalon in LFR, so take this with a grain of salt. In LFR you've got the boss and two legs to worry about, making 3 targets, which is optimal for Fire Mages. Or Inferno Blast spreads Living Bomb, Ignite, Pyroblast , and Combustion DoT's to up to 3 targets. So they should be getting the full benefit of all their DoT's without missing targets. Maybe in Heroic there's adds or 4 lets or something, but even so. With at least 3 targets Fire Mages should put up good numbers.

I am guessing there is some kind of mechanic that hurts DPS because otherwise the 10th percentile would be way higher. I mentioned the Fire nerfs on here (and there's a TON of bitching going on in other forums, mostly due to the Crit chance modifier nerf) and that could have something to do with it. RNG can be a bitch but consistently pulling less than 50k might mean something else is going on. Are they saving their PoM/Alter Time macro for Bloodlust? Getting that combo off right (crits make the most difference even here, unfortunately) is a huge contributor to Fire's DPS. So much so that if you're working with an enrage it makes the PoM talent just about mandatory, IMO.

Again, I don't know anything about Heroic Garalon. That's just my two cents.
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12-05-2012 , 01:11 PM
My guild is still on Normal Garalon. There is literally no difference between LFR and Normal other than how long the pungency debuff lasts (so have to have more people in rotation, thats about it).

I know literally nothing about fire mages, but here is the log from last night

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...s=9818&e=10244
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12-05-2012 , 01:14 PM
Continuing my track record of A.D.D. when it comes to alts, I'm now working on my priest.

Reasons to level the Priest instead of the Rogue:
- Already level 79, Rogue is 12
- has full Heirloom gear already, Rogue has none
- My raid has a chronic shortage of healers
- More potential in 2's
- Disc and Shadow are both so easy to level it's hard to choose 1
- Already level 79, Rogue is 12

Reasons to level the Priest instead of the:
Warrior - $55
DK - $55
Paladin - $55
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12-05-2012 , 01:21 PM
sounds cheaper to go back to the correct faction with your mage imo
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12-05-2012 , 01:21 PM
Axotyc cast Time Warp and then proceeded to completely tank in DPS. Same with Auster. I'm gonna make a guess that they either didn't have Combustion up or didn't have PoM/Alter Time ready when you Time Warped. If you miss lining all that up you're gonna end up spamming Fireball during Time Warp which is useless. You can see Axotyc had big spikes 30 seconds before Time Warp and about a minute or so after. Look at Auster's spike right at the end. I'm just gonna guess and say that's a couple big Pyroblast crits, maybe the PoM/AT macro, and Combustion.

edit: Auster also had spikes right before and right after that first Time Warp. Were they both expecting Time Warp to happen when it did? I'm just looking at Axotyc's huge spike and then TW is called for right after. I'm guessing he wasn't happy about that. And tell him to let the Resto Shaman cast Bloodlust.
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12-05-2012 , 01:30 PM
Also Axotyc went AFK or something on Try2. There's a 30 second lull where he's got 0 damage done :-/
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12-05-2012 , 04:11 PM
So who wants to help me figure out why the hell I'm getting these atrocious lag spikes? This is my newer laptop, this had been happening for a while before the charger died, then I switched to the older laptop and didn't have a single spike (at least not nearly as bad as what I get with this laptop). Bought a new charger, and I'm getting spikes still on this laptop.

Since it didn't happen on the other laptop, it's gotta be something specific to this laptop..I assumed maybe the wireless card was dying or something, so I grabbed an ethernet cord and plugged it in, same issue. So I really have just no clue at this point.

Basically, when I'm just standing around in a city or something, it's fine, my latency is around 30ms like it usually is. Whenever I zone in to an instance, raid, scenario, anything, I'll start getting spikes occasionally. The spikes are bad enough that after a few minutes, it brings my average latency up to the 500+ range. Right now I'm sitting in FL getting ready to solo Alyzrazor, except my latency is at 588ms. Everything else continues to work fine when these spikes are happening: Mumble, browser, hell even the in-game CHAT continues to work fine. Note that this is using a wired connection, not wireless. The fact that everything worked absolutely fine on the other laptop really makes me wonder what the hell could be the problem.

The lag spikes also don't appear to be entirely consistent: I raided all last night on this laptop (the one with the problems) without any spikes, at least not that I can remember.
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12-05-2012 , 07:13 PM
I'm not sure what the problem could be with the lag spikes. What kind of processing power does the computer have? My initial thought since the lag spikes aren't predictable is that there's some kind of background process popping up every now and then that brings your system to a crawl for a bit and you see it as lag (like a Virus scan or something). That doesn't account for the game telling you that you have 588ms lag at Alysrazor, though. How often does it happen and how long does it usually last?

I'm still having the issue where I log in and hang on the "Success" screen. It's never happened on my laptop, but it happens 99% of the time when I log in on my Desktop. I've repaired the WoW installation, deleted the WTF folder, redownloaded the installer and run straight from that, used Launcher and Wow.exe to run, with no progress. If I can remember, I might try running in 32-bit mode and see if that has any effect.
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12-05-2012 , 07:35 PM
It's not FPS lag though, so I can't imagine it has anything to do with that. Everyone just starts running in place, I can hit my buttons and the GCD will show but nothing actually happens for a few seconds, etc. Mumble continues to work perfectly fine, both the input and output (I can hear people talking and they can hear me).

It happens seemingly randomly, I can go a few weeks without it happening at all, then a for few weeks it'll happen all the time. Sometimes resetting the router and modem will fix it, other times it won't.

I turned on the other laptop and did a quick test earlier, and it looks like it also happens on that one, so I guess I just got lucky for the week I was using it.

It seems to have gone away for now, hopefully it stays like this for raid tonight, because we're gonna start working on heroic Zor'lok I think, so I'm just gonna die on the attenuation platform if it starts up again.
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12-06-2012 , 12:04 PM
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They're usually pretty low to begin with. To compare, the 10th percentile for Fire Mages on 25man Normal Garalon is ~70k (69932 to be exact). The two mages did 47845 and 44534 respectively.
I did LFR Garalon last night in my Arcane-reforged gear. I did the encounter as Frost (since I don't have a Fire spec at the moment) and managed to do 54k DPS. I think Fire would probably have done more damage.

I spent a while last night working on my UI. I added Titan Panel and ForteXorcist. I really like both addons. I'd been looking for Titan panel for a long time, I just didn't know what it was called until yesterday. It's gonna take a little bit to get used to ForteXorcist but I already really like how it feels.

When the hell is Blizzard going to give us 3 specs?!?
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12-06-2012 , 10:13 PM
I'm liking this transmog a lot. I'm still looking for shoes and a belt that make for a better fit.



Yeah Gnomes!
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12-06-2012 , 11:03 PM
http://www.twitch.tv/porchcat# streaming if anyone is bored. we clearing terrace and hof normal then msv heroic progression. come watch me be bad
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12-06-2012 , 11:18 PM
lolgnomes

lolalliance
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12-07-2012 , 12:14 AM
Getting really ****ing frustrated tonight...people won't stop dying to ****ing attenuation, and it's the SAME EXACT ****ING PEOPLE EVERY TIME. Please for the love of god either bring someone else in for them or just stop ressing them..gonna be ****ing livid if we get an amazing pull in, then lose a tank at like 5% and can't res them because we wasted our resses on ******s. Because of course if that happens it'll get blamed on the healers, not the idiots that died to stupid ****
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