Please make your selection and help us find a new home!

Many people have made offers for various servers with regards to purchasing guilds and such, so please feel free to add whatever perks you believe a certain server brings if it is selected.

You can make multiple selections for obvious reasons: faction selection - first 3 choices, server selection - the rest.

Please note:

• Sen'jin is PvE
• Illidan is 'full', so there may be queues at times

Update:

The following represents a list of 2+2ers that have already transferred, to the best of my knowledge. Apologies if I missed anyone as my note taking skills aren't the best.

Goggles - benine
baumer - raymears
aceium - aceium, smigel (85)
nofear - hainiryuun, hanyuu (85)
mmix - kablaam
zomghax - ignignok
znup - znup

I would suggest making a toon and running it to the faction's capital, checking the AH for items that you need/use a lot/are familiar with the prices of, for each server. For example, Delicate cuts on Illidan were about 80g cheaper than on Sen'jin, and around 30-40g cheaper than AM/Korgath.

Latency on AM/Korgath was pretty good, Sen'jin was almost into the yellow for me, and while Illidan had the lowest latency, <100, my experience wasn't too positive. Everything lagged by about 3-7 seconds - interacting with the AH/searches, flight path, etc. I did clear my creature cache before doing this, for npcscan, but none of the Alliance servers had the same issue, so I don't know what that's about.

There are lots of factors to consider when picking, but I would contest that the most important are:

Availability of quality raiders to round out Pug's if need be
Availability of a level 25 Guild (too many benefits to pass up - and it would take forever to level one ourselves)
Decent Economy (this is why some people play the game)

I'm on Alterac Mountains already and just want to address these points. I have been able to pug BoT/BWD pre nerf and the quality of pugs is probably a little higher then average. I already am the GM of a level 25 guild and have people that want to raid to fill in the empty spaces. The economy isn't bad, I make anywhere from 150-200k a month from an hour or 2 with glyphs, ah, ect. each day. The only thing I've had problems with in the past is selling things >50k in a decent amount of time.

Alliance/AV. I only have one toon I can really move at this point as my higher level guys are in good guilds and I want to keep them there. If this turns into a permanent thing I will consider moving other toons over.

ETA: And a level 25 guild is reason enough in and of itself. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to max out a guild.

I think perhaps we should take a look at this thread in a week's time and make decisions then. That way it's not so far off that people lose interest, but it also gives time for some discussion on the matter.

I hopped on Alterac Mountains last night and made a few level 1's to see what names are available. My Mage's and DK's names are available, but not my Warrior's. I'm considering doing a race/name change for my DK. He's a human right now, I like his name, but I don't think I've heard more than 2 people pronounce it right in Vent.

I believe that when you do a server change you also get all the lower "premium" services, like faction change and recustomization as well. I want a max level Worgen.

EDIT: Ah, BS. No recustomization included in the server transfer. Wonder if you can call in and sweet talk Blizzard tech support.

I think a server transfer only gives you a server transfer, not a faction change as well. If someone on the new server already has your name you'll be able to pick a new one though.

Well that's easy to get around. Just make a level 1 toon with your name then initiate the transfer. At least you get a new name then.

There's a couple of issues I should discuss about Illidan Horde since I brought it up.

I don't have an actual level 25 guild, but I said I would be willing to buy us one if people transferred over. I have more than enough gold to do so.

Ogrimmar can get laggy. It hasn't been too bad in the past, but it seems to have gotten particularly bad at times since the last patch (from last week). In this past week, there have been several times where play the auction house was impossible due to the lag, even for me. Like I stated, this has only started happening recently, so I don't know if Blizzard is working on it and/or when it will get fixed. From what I can tell, the lag is isolated only to Ogrimmar.

Although it says that Illidan is full, I haven't had to queue up to log in since the first days of Cataclysm.

Illidan appears to be the most progressive server in terms of raiding, so it would probably be easiest fill up our raid spots if need be. However, there does seem to be an overabundance of Chinese and ninja looters (I don't know how rampant this is on other servers).

And a final note, it appears that many people here on 2+2 make lots of gold off of the AH, or at least have the knowledge and capability to do so. A 2+2 guild is going to force many of us to compete with each other, should everybody should bear in mind that whatever server we choose, we probably won't be nearly as profitable as were on our home servers.

I would consider server transferring my main to tank for the guild if there was some incentive, for example, someone paying the server transfer cost for me . Moving all my alts and gold over would be a huge headache though.

Need more votes, more! MOAR!!

I'm on AM as a NE hunter. Knockboots is the name if you guys wanna hit me up for any rated BGs or arena.

Lol, literally split 50/50 right now. Whoever it is that doesn't have a preference has the deciding vote, atm, it seems

It's worth mentioning AM is in NYC datacenter (making it a LITTLE laggy for west coasters, 80~100ms under the best of circumstances in my experience on FiOS) whereas Illidan is in Chicago so everyone can at least get good connection.

I live in San Diego and its not too bad at all.

If the stupid poker sites weren't down I would definitely offer $ to a rich person to get some gold to bring my gear up to snuff. With the new patch, 359 craftables can't be all that expensive. With probably 15k gold you should be able to get some nice 359's and maybe a few 353's.

lvl 25 guild seems like it would be worth the extra money to change factions, what does illidan offer?

We should also take in to account that we only have 5 votes for either one. Assuming that every single one of those votes made the transfer, that's hardly enough to get a raid together. Even if we have good tanks and healers, who wants to PUG the majority of their DPS?

Are we trying to do 10s or 25 mans?

The next issue is coming up with a time that most people can raid. As it is now, people who are open to either server or faction should really be making that clear.

oh yes im open to either, im horde now so i'll prob slightly prefer a horde guild but if a lvl 25 guild is only attainable through alterac then i'd prefer that.

I will not be available to raid a ton. I could do Wednesday each week and either Tuesday or Thursday at or around 8:30 CST. Weekends will be spotty.

25 mans would be preferable. I think they're more fun in general, plus you get more loot per person so gearing up happens faster. "Faster" is arguable since it might take longer to get 25 people coordinated to actually down a boss since it's more common that one or two people can wipe a raid.

I have to say that I'm not sure I would be fully on board if we started a 2p2 guild and had 10 2p2-ers and 15 randoms in our raids. I'd rather have a 10 man of all 2p2 if those are the options.

I raided west coast servers from NJ too.

Gaming experience is still much better when we raid with servers in the middle or near by.

10 man raids seems a lot more realistic for the numbers we have.

As I've said before, I'm ok with either server, I'll be transferring a toon regardless.

Looks like we haven't had anybody new vote in several days now, and we're still at a dead tie.

If the votes remain the same in a few days, I'm going to rescind my offer to buy us a level 25 guild on Illidan, and change my vote to Alterac Valley. It doesn't really seem worth it to spend 200k to buy a guild when there's less than 10 people interested in switching servers.

To be frank, there really doesn't seem to be enough interest to start any sort of serious 2+2 raiding guild, so it looks whatever server is chosen, we'll end up with more of a social guild than a raiding guild.

So if you've been abstaining from voting for whatever reason, please put in your votes within the next day or two.