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07-20-2013 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Hopefully the results have been that at least one person that was considering depositing on Lock decided not to.

What do you think the results would have been otherwise? You think they're just holding back on some really positive information because they feel insulted?
Several months ago, I considered Lock. Count me as the guy that refused to put money on this site based on the feedback from many of you.

I played on UB, got money off before the Superuser scandal, stopped playing on Full Tilt before Black Friday, and I avoided Lock. I run sort of good.

The downside is I never signed up for Intertops when I had the chance...I thought since they were on the same network as Lock, I thought they had similar issues. Misread that one...
07-20-2013 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
let me ask you something: You guys have been hounding shane like crazy these past few months, berating him, insulting him, insulting all of lock's staff, mocking them, etc.

What have the results been?
And the "criticism" directed toward Lock has been well earned and well deserved by Jen Larson, Shane, and their company's actions. I am not sure what you are referring to regarding "results". It is not SGT RJ, DayCare Inferno, or the guy that does the Vig or Cash out sheet to improve Locks "results". That's Lock's job. And they have done a miserable job at processing cash outs and improving time frame by any industry measure.
Its why you have a tone deaf CEO who has refused to comment on "promised" results for months instead of being upfront and transparent. They need to read a business book on "crisis management" or read about the Tylenol case and how companies respond. And as far as I am concerned shining the light of day on this company so that fewer people will be taken in and be waiting 6 months (or never ) for their money IS results.
I am beginning to see where this is now going, but I'll reserve judgement.
07-21-2013 , 12:54 AM
All I have to say it what have you guys achieved? Anyone that opens up the cash out thread can see the time cash outs are taking. Saying Shane is a liar! Lock is going under! Lock is a scam is not doing anything for anyone. For the record I have a cash out that is pending 4 months and over 5k on Lock.
07-21-2013 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by thenextlevel1
All I have to say it what have you guys achieved? Anyone that opens up the cash out thread can see the time cash outs are taking. Saying Shane is a liar! Lock is going under! Lock is a scam is not doing anything for anyone. For the record I have a cash out that is pending 4 months and over 5k on Lock.
I have no idea what you are referring to? It is not my job to "achieve" anything for Lock. That is their job. They have your money and they owe you a prompt return of your money. And what have they told you about your cash out and when can you expect it? Do you feel you are being treated well as a customer?
07-21-2013 , 02:37 AM
When you post your bashing of Lock everywhere you must have a purpose right? There must be something your are trying achieve by your posts. They have told me that they are having processing issues. I wish I had my money faster, but your posts are not doing anything to help me or anyone else achieve that.
07-21-2013 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
How should posters on 2+2 help a site whose main problem is an inability to pay out players in a reasonable amount of time? Do you think if we all just pretend Lock is the best things will magically fix themselves?
Never said that, but do you think posts like Shane lies or Lock is a scam helps us? What about the people that ask for lock to name their processors or for lock to show documents that they have all the players funds?
07-21-2013 , 03:32 AM
Bictor, I'm sorry, I honestly have nothing personal against you but.. So many of your posts are just head scratchers.. Of course nobody is happy w the current situation. Why would you even post a question asking 'do you feel like you are being treated well as a customer?' Do you expect him to say he is happy waiting 5 months?? I mean, so many of your posts are just pure trolls asking worthless questions. Like, in a different thread: 'how many employees does lock have?' Like, who cares? Seriously?

These threads would be so much more beneficial by just sticking to pertinent information that the majority of people actually care about: their money and their cash outs.

I get it, it's good to inform the public that there are some current issues w lock poker. But what is the point of beating a dead horse over and over and over and over again. What does it solve..
07-21-2013 , 03:54 AM
I've made a lot of negative posts about Lock, going back to the Girah scandal.

I get tilted when a noob gets scammed for $40 in the transfer thread. That some POS is preying on the community gets me rustled. I hate it when some idiot scumbag tries 'game' me or anybody else, thinking he's slick. Well, that's how I view Shane and Lock.

For over a year, I've been posting to try and raise awareness of Lock's shadiness. This crisis has been obvious and has been building up for a long time, and Lock's lack of character has been obvious even longer. Yet whatever awareness I and others may have helped increase, it hasn't stopped hundreds or thousands of others to subsequently fall victim to this site.

So that's why I continue to call Shane out whenever he's lying, because it's so frustrating to see people continuing to get lured into depositing here. I consider Shane to be a level zero scammer and liar, and possibly the scummiest person on 2+2. We've seen this saga play out how many times now in the poker world? It's incredibly frustrating. The poker community seems so incredibly gullible and scammable.

I feel bad for everybody with money on the site. I wish you'd have never deposited in the first place. But it seems scummy to stop calling them out so that maybe a bunch of noobs will deposit so that everybody here can get paid. If there's 100 2+2ers waiting on cashouts, how many new people will have to get scammed to pay everybody off? Several hundred? Thousands?

That said, I'm perfectly fine with not posting in the special Shane Q&A thread. If you guys think that he's holding back important info because he gets flamed, then I have no problem staying out of there and I hope you guys get the answers you're looking for. I hope that Lock gets their **** together and pays everyone what they're owed in an honest manner.
07-21-2013 , 04:48 AM
Well said and yes, you do some serious hatin. If, obviously a big if, if they actually got their act together, this would be the best site for the "players" worldwide, with the promotions they offer. I don't see how this place couldn't grow into something special. There is nowhere you can get the type of benefits you can get here, but that being said, maybe that is causing part of this ripple effect of Lock not having enough money, or being totally solvent. I will say they really need to do something with their customer support, it is beyond pathetic.
07-21-2013 , 04:58 AM
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I am beginning to see where this is now going, but I'll reserve judgement.
haha you literally couldn't be more wrong
07-21-2013 , 05:00 AM
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And as far as I am concerned shining the light of day on this company so that fewer people will be taken in and be waiting 6 months (or never ) for their money IS results.
My point is there are different ways of "shining the light" and it is my personal opinion that the aggressive one, at least in this case, doesn't seem to be working.
07-21-2013 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Actually while you carry on like a pork chop with this rambling mess Im busy helping customers who have reached out to me to get them solutions to their problems...
Unbelievable.

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...Ask yourself who do you help with these long winded rants?...
Ask yourself who do you help with these ridiculous insults?


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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Hopefully the results have been that at least one person that was considering depositing on Lock decided not to.

What do you think the results would have been otherwise? You think they're just holding back on some really positive information because they feel insulted?
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07-21-2013 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
My point is there are different ways of "shining the light" and it is my personal opinion that the aggressive one, at least in this case, doesn't seem to be working.
That's because the goals aren't the same.

There are two goals here, and you (and others) are saying that the posting towards one goal (making sure people remain aware that Lock is shady, Shane lies, etc. etc.) hurts goal two (helping people get their money).

Nexus asks what is the purpose of "bashing" Lock (and I respond as someone who has never, not once, called Lock a ponzi scheme or anything similar). The purpose is to keep everyone aware, and help prevent new players from playing on a site that, while it might not be an outright scam, must objectively be viewed as a bad site at this current time. And don't pretend that isn't a worthwhile goal, because the history of online poker and how people react to scandals proves that it is. You might not personally have any vested interest in protecting other players, but some do.

If Lock were a reputable company, there is no way that goal one should hinder goal two, because the vast majority of meeting goal two falls on Lock, not on us as posters, customers, and members of the poker community. That said, there are plenty of outspoken Lock critics who do whatever is in their meager power to "help", because we recognize that the players are the victims in all of this. Not Lock, not Shane, the customers.

You know, the ones getting jerked around for four, five, six or more months before seeing their own money. The ones who have been lied to over and over by Lock support. They are the victims here. And if I help prevent even one additional victim by reminding people that Lock is shady and Shane, as their mouthpiece, has lied repeatedly to this community, then I consider that a worthwhile endeavor.
07-21-2013 , 11:00 AM
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and you (and others) are saying that the posting towards one goal (making sure people remain aware that Lock is shady, Shane lies, etc. etc.) hurts goal two (helping people get their money).
haha i've never said that nor do i believe it. couldn't be further from the truth
07-21-2013 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
haha i've never said that nor do i believe it. couldn't be further from the truth
Alright then sorry about that. That's the impression I've gotten from others, sorry to lump you in with them.
07-21-2013 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by thenextlevel1
Never said that, but do you think posts like Shane lies or Lock is a scam helps us?
As has been said, it helps players who haven't followed Lock closely realize they're a terrible site to deposit on.
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What about the people that ask for lock to name their processors or for lock to show documents that they have all the players funds?
How could it possibly be bad to ask Lock to prove they're solvent, especially given the history of sites saying they had all our money and then vanishing with millions in player funds? We should just be fine with Shane playing Baghdad Bob on us?
07-21-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thenextlevel1
When you post your bashing of Lock everywhere you must have a purpose right? There must be something your are trying achieve by your posts. They have told me that they are having processing issues. I wish I had my money faster, but your posts are not doing anything to help me or anyone else achieve that.
The purpose is so that more people will be aware of what is going on and don't blindly deposit and end up in the same spot you are in or worse. If you need help in processing then I suggest you direct that to Lock and demand a response and direct your frustration where it belongs. I can't help you in processing your cash out. And it seems they aren't responding to you in a professional manner

Heres my perspective and this is not intended as a brag. ok? I worked in upper management and I also ran my own business. I am literally shocked and scratch my head everyday with the responses and non responses that I see from Lock, Larsen, and Shane. Mindboggling! Marketing 101! Customer Service 101! Its as if you have people who have no concept of how to run, manage, or conduct a business in charge of this sinking ship. I have also been around the block enough times to know when a business is on its last legs. All the signs are there and I could list at least 10 off the top of my head. But you probably don't want to hear them, so I wont bother. You want your money before they sink and you want people to keep quiet because you think this will lessen the chances of you getting paid. Hey, if they have segregated funds like they have said, none of you have a thing to worry about. But, do you believe them?

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Originally Posted by Mennas Joint
Bictor, I'm sorry, I honestly have nothing personal against you but.. So many of your posts are just head scratchers.. Of course nobody is happy w the current situation. Why would you even post a question asking 'do you feel like you are being treated well as a customer?'..
Because this would be great feedback for Shane and Lock if they truly want to improve service. Its called "Voice of the Customer" and most companies embrace it.


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Originally Posted by Mennas Joint
Do you expect him to say he is happy waiting 5 months?? I mean, so many of your posts are just pure trolls asking worthless questions. Like, in a different thread: 'how many employees does lock have?' Like, who cares? Seriously?
It gives you a good idea if they are a substantial business or a fly by night company being run out of a condo in Vancover. And criticism is not "trolling".


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Originally Posted by Mennas Joint
These threads would be so much more beneficial by just sticking to pertinent information that the majority of people actually care about: their money and their cash outs..
There are several cash out threads and have you been reading the responses?

I've sent sent dozens of requests to lock and no responses
Shane does not respond to my emails
its 3-4 months and I have not been "verified" yet

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Originally Posted by Mennas Joint
I get it, it's good to inform the public that there are some current issues w lock poker. But what is the point of beating a dead horse over and over and over and over again. What does it solve..
Some issues eh??? Because those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
My point is there are different ways of "shining the light" and it is my personal opinion that the aggressive one, at least in this case, doesn't seem to be working.
I don't think posting comments on a public forum constitute an "aggressive" approach. I could think of several more aggressive approaches that consumers could and should take. But the passive approach of people begging to be put on lists so shane can chase it up isn't working. Sending dozens of emails to shane that he does not answer is not working. Shane talking about batches, lists, and pipes isn't working. The lies, evasive answers, and non responses is not working. And a CEO hiding in her condo in Vancover is not working either. And I don't think your approach will work. Go through any Lock thread and you can see Shanes pat responses and non responses. They aren't going to change no matter how nice you are to him. Look at the cash out report. Its getting worse and not better and shane can gloss over that any way he wants, but facts are facts.


And to those of you (not you Jah) who want to throw out the "trolling" accusation- STFU! Lock, Larson, and Shane deserve to be hit often and hard because they have earned it! They deserve it! And it should continue! You guys need to get a new playbook because your sounding kinda whiny. You are not going to stifle debate and get people to keep quiet with this lame strategy. If you want to attack the trolling, go after the self centered nitwits who have attacked SGT, DCI, and Cashout Report Guy. People who have not taken a dime from you but have tried to shed the light on a scam and to warn others. They should be commended for their honesty and integrity as they have provided a valuable service to the poker community. Oh no, I just trolled again..................

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07-21-2013 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
As has been said, it helps players who haven't followed Lock closely realize they're a terrible site to deposit on.
How could it possibly be bad to ask Lock to prove they're solvent, especially given the history of sites saying they had all our money and then vanishing with millions in player funds? We should just be fine with Shane playing Baghdad Bob on us?
What is he going to post a screen shot of a bank account with the players funds in it? I mean come on it is absurd. All of this information obviously has to be kept private. They are not suppose to be doing business with American banks.
07-21-2013 , 02:47 PM
People with experience in these types of matters have repeatedly posted that some sort of independent 3rd party audit could be done with minimal risk to Lock.
07-21-2013 , 03:14 PM
Lol bictor, it doesn't have to be kept quiet, but you literally post the exact same things hour after hour, day after day.. Everyone is capable enough already to read your previous 100 posts all in the exact same issue.
07-21-2013 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mennas Joint
Lol bictor, it doesn't have to be kept quiet, but you literally post the exact same things hour after hour, day after day.. Everyone is capable enough already to read your previous 100 posts all in the exact same issue.
LMAO Mennas. My posts are quite different and your attempts at silencing people are lame. Personal shots, ad homenim attacks, and when all else fails- the treaded troll accusation. Oh no, not that! We get it. You have money on the site and you want everyone to shutup until you can get it off. Sorry pal, your beef is with Lock not me. I don't know why you are so worried, Jen and Shane say your funds are segregated so all is well.
07-22-2013 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
I realized one of the HUGE problems with this subforum and shane dodging questions is it's really EASY for him to do so with one person posting a great question, but another 10 ppl posting other questions/starting discussions/derails etc in the 3-5 days in between shane's posts here.

I'm thinking one way this could work nicely is to get a brand new Q&A thread that's moderated (I think 2p2 software might allow this?) as in no new posts appear until a moderator has approved them. Thus, we ask ONE question, thread gets no new posts until shane answers. After he does, we ask another question, rinse and repeat.

I'm sure there's other ways of achieving something similar, as well as better ways, so if you guys have any ideas let's see 'em
See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ad-op-1354573/

      
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