Them offering the rake chase / vip cashback is great for players, however it is killing the games. The full ring .5-1 / 1-2 basically consists of 20 or so players sitting around waiting to cooler each other. The 6 handed games are basically the same thing too although a little better action.

I am not complaining as I respect the grinders out there, but just curious if any of you out there play at a level where the games arent so tight.

Also if this thread is out of line or inapropriate a mod can delete it.

Good luck.

I hate it when everyone is sitting about waiting to cooler me. It's like, *so* annoying.

I'm like, guys! please! can you just *stop* trying to cooler me, I'm already down 90bb waiting on aces.

I hate that.

I will just asume that responsed was laden with sarcasim. I was just merely pointing out how I am finding the games at the previously mentioned levels to be unexciting and was wondering if the experience has been mutual for other members.

Fair Play Technology killed the action at Lock.

See the sticky at the top of this forum for details.

Yepp, it's fair play that pretty much killed the cash games.

You're basically sitting there with a bunch of regulars hoping for some fish to join your table who usually gets killed by the first guy with a decent hand and then the waiting begins again.

On top of that the Nexus tables (or whatever the promo tables are called the current month) are Lock exclusive tables. Hence it's hard to even get one started and if you do... well then the above applies again.

I moved my grind from cash to MTT and Don's since those have the highest EV (for me) and only play the occasional cash game if I happen to come across a wild table between NL20 and NL50 but not getting enough tables to consider playing cash games on the site on a daily basis.

I actually had no idea about this fair play concept.

After skimming through that thread I still can't really see any benefit to it. I thought varying stakes would help self select skill level.

Maybe its just in my head from reading about fair play, but today as I log in I am not seeing the familiar names at the .5-1 / 1-2 that I have grown accustom to seeing every time I log in. Maybe I got moved.

Not when fish have the nerve to just play whatever stakes they want.

Thankfully Revolution and a few other sites are helping them table select better, out of the goodness of their hearts.

Fair Play Technology was Lock's attempt at pinning winning players against other winning players. It's essentially a tactic deployed to stop winning players from winning money from losing players and continually withdrawing. That's really the only thing that makes any sense at all, and yet, the whole concept doesn't make sense and hurts Lock as a whole.

Lock probably figured that if they could get the winning players to lose more, that those players would re-deposit some of their winnings (larger amounts), instead of the losing players trickling deposits on more and more slowly in lower amounts.

This all creates the assumption that Lock needed NEW money to come in with greater volume. Because otherwise, wouldn't Lock have been fine making rake off existing money? They would, IF that money wasn't misplaced, stolen, or used to cover expenses. The only reason NEW money would be more valuable to Lock Poker coming from the same players as opposed to the current players' money on the site, is IF the player funds weren't actually segregated. Case closed. Fair Play Technology was for Lock, it wasn't for its players. Heck, I wouldn't even KNOW about Fair Play Technology if I didn't view these forums. So how can they say that players in lower levels are appreciating it? And players in higher tiers certainly aren't appreciating it. Doubt most players even know about it. Another joke.

Thats a really good post vindictive...

I think you said it best when talking about how most players are not even aware that this is going on. Especailly the ones new to poker. Lets be honest I dont think many USA players that weren't playing online pre black friday are now playing post black friday.

I had about a dozen buddies that played online (pre BF) most of them recreational and about 2 of them serious grinders. Of that dozen only me and 1 other guy still play. The ones just played for fun and messed around dont even know that you can still play from the US today.

The very few and far-between "new" players that are coming onto the site have no idea about fair play tech. thus, I have a hard time believing they are grateful for it.

Probably doesn't help the action when it takes 3 months minimum to make a cash out...

rofl

This fair play concept, is it only at Lock?

Put sharks vs. sharks and fish vs fish?

Good for the fish but bad for the regulaur grinders?

Insane.

It's network wide, so all Revolution skins are subject to FPT.

FTFY

So basically stay away from revolution

unless your a fish obv
which I am
here I come

The action's here. I'm a notorious glutton for punishment (re: low on funds so thought I'd take a turn at the play money wheel), so I'm playing on Lock tonight for the first time in almost a month. Find me - won't find a softer player right now...lol. Heads up SNG, anyone?

Just joined Lock a few days ago. Put $60 on and have been on a good run. i play 500 Chip Super Turbo anywhere from $40-$100 typically. I play the same 5-10 people. A few of them are regs with pretty good results after I search them on SharkScope. It is very hard to find fish on this site, it is beginning to be frustrating.

grunch

correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you're truly ABSOLUTELY SURE that all the other 8 people at the table are doing is sitting around and waiting to cooler you, isn't that an insanely profitable table?

Raise all pocket pairs, suited connectors, suited kings, aces and 2-broadways pre from all positions. You'll scoop up the blinds at least 80% of the time, you know 3-bets are QQ+/AK and you know flats are a pocket pair, KQ, AK or AQ.

C-bet any flop that looks like it missed the villain and then check the turn. If you're bet into on the turn you know villain has a set and you can safely fold. If the turn goes check check you can safely bet/fold the river.

Seems like an easy game to me - who WOULDN'T want to play at tables like those?

I was actually being serious. I lick my chops when I sit down at a table where not one VPIP is over 15 and not one PFR is over 9.

Looper! Your turn check is a instant 3/4 or pot bet for me. Love it when players donk bet the flop and check the turn. you might as well float the flop and wait for his check on the turn to take it down.

I agree that Fair Play Technology is responsible for the difference. If you check out the other play money sites - Yahoo, Facebook, etc., you'll find the play is completely different, very loose and profitable. I'm not sure why Lock went in this direction, but whatever. I don't see how they can compete with Yahoo at this point.

I would stay away from the play money tables on Lock. The play money is currently valued higher than real money so the games are pretty tight.

Lol . Try plo not as much of a nitfest