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07-13-2013 , 05:05 AM
At least he's keeping you busy Bobo. Think it was his 3rd or 4th account though.
07-13-2013 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chopsy2
Sorry if this is off topic but Shame you have stated that Lock uses 3rd party processors. Why does Lock still use them if they are so slow? If Lock was really concerned about paying people would you not have switched by now?
We are always adding new processors and looking for new processing partners and new processing options.

This is one of the reasons for having it setup as it is with JDB Services being client facing with the processors plugged into that from behind the scenes.
07-13-2013 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
We are always adding new processors and looking for new processing partners and new processing options.

This is one of the reasons for having it setup as it is with JDB Services being client facing with the processors plugged into that from behind the scenes.
Considering that Lock has to hide money transfers from certain governments, the biggest problem is that it's very hard for Lock to find ethical payment processors. Companies that don't mind dodging the DOJ or processing payments for online poker sites that accept USA players are hard to find.

New processing partners are aware of this and can charge rather high fees. Some may argue that it's like extortion.

Because Lock operates in a highly ethical manner and is concerned about what's right and wrong, they have a hard time working with companies that may lack the same ethics as Lock.
07-13-2013 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
client facing with the processors plugged into that from behind.
I just got a pants tent
07-13-2013 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
We are always adding new processors and looking for new processing partners and new processing options.

This is one of the reasons for having it setup as it is with JDB Services being client facing with the processors plugged into that from behind the scenes.
Are you saying it says "JDB Services" always for us, the client, as a mask for the real processor's name so that the real processor's name don't "get out in the public"? or what are you saying here?
07-13-2013 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mccormick
Are you saying it says "JDB Services" always for us, the client, as a mask for the real processor's name so that the real processor's name don't "get out in the public"? or what are you saying here?
As per earlier in this thread JDB Services is part of Lock's corporate structure that is in place to be the direct contact with the players and deals with the actual 3rd party processors.

When you are using a 3rd party supplier for anything that 3rd party is never in direct contact with your customers.
07-13-2013 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
As per earlier in this thread JDB Services is part of Lock's corporate structure that is in place to be the direct contact with the players and deals with the actual 3rd party processors.

When you are using a 3rd party supplier for anything that 3rd party is never in direct contact with your customers.
where in the 50 shades of grey does this attempt to spin fall?

07-13-2013 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
As per earlier in this thread JDB Services is part of Lock's corporate structure that is in place to be the direct contact with the players and deals with the actual 3rd party processors.

When you are using a 3rd party supplier for anything that 3rd party is never in direct contact with your customers.
When does JDB have contact with the customers? Should not anything have to do with the customers be dealt with from Lock and then lock goes to JDB if needed?
07-14-2013 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chopsy2
When does JDB have contact with the customers? Should not anything have to do with the customers be dealt with from Lock and then lock goes to JDB if needed?
Well, whenever you get an e-mail regarding your cashout etc. it's signed by JDB Services, also when u check your Cashier/Withdrawal/Deposit pages it all looks like connected with JDB Services, not any other processor.
07-15-2013 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DonSwanLeon
Considering that Lock has to hide money transfers from certain governments, the biggest problem is that it's very hard for Lock to find ethical payment processors. Companies that don't mind dodging the DOJ or processing payments for online poker sites that accept USA players are hard to find.

New processing partners are aware of this and can charge rather high fees. Some may argue that it's like extortion.
I'm up for that. Shane, ship me the money I'll pass it on and take 2.5% less than your current partners. You gotta ship first though

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Because Lock operates in a highly ethical manner and is concerned about what's right and wrong, they have a hard time working with companies that may lack the same ethics as Lock.
07-15-2013 , 08:25 PM
Shane, why doesnt Lock allow cashouts in bitcoin? That would be very, very easy for you guys to setup on your end and as long as you only buy the bitcoin when there is a corresponding cashout, there is no currency risk
07-15-2013 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Picasso
Shane, why doesnt Lock allow cashouts in bitcoin? That would be very, very easy for you guys to setup on your end and as long as you only buy the bitcoin when there is a corresponding cashout, there is no currency risk
Obviously this is the best solution they could ever hope for, and would save them a fortune.

Of course, Shane has already explained that bitcoins are extremely unsavory, and Lock isn't willing to tarnish the room's stellar reputation by being associated with something so vulgar and uncivilized.
07-16-2013 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Picasso
Shane, why doesnt Lock allow cashouts in bitcoin? That would be very, very easy for you guys to setup on your end and as long as you only buy the bitcoin when there is a corresponding cashout, there is no currency risk
Shane and ShillG911 said a while ago that "Lock is looking into bitcoin". I don't expect this to happen though as management lacks the understanding for BTC's and the benefits (specially as an US facing room) that would come in offering and accepting btc. Lock would also need to employ someone with at least basic knowledge in forex trading.

An before someone else mentions it.. it's also a question of liquidity.
07-16-2013 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
JDB Services is part of the Lock Gaming Group's corporate structure but, is not now nor has it ever been a payment processor.

All processing for the Lock sites is handled through 3rd party operators, which are not owned or controlled in any way by the Lock Gaming Group or Jennifer Larson.
Can you please give me a link to the "Lock Gaming Group" website? Reason I am asking is that nobody ever heard of said company prior to the G911 interview. Since your boss is so ethical I guess that the site would show the different departments which a part of the "gaming group" such as Lock, Cipaco, JDB, Conrifil and the others.

Last edited by HammerMan72; 07-16-2013 at 10:18 AM. Reason: eidt: forgot conrifil
07-16-2013 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerMan72
Can you please give me a link to the "Lock Gaming Group" website? Reason I am asking is that nobody ever heard of said company prior to the G911 interview. Since your boss is so ethical I guess that the site would show the different departments which a part of the "gaming group" such as Lock, Cipaco, JDB, Conrifil and the others.
I'll do it for him. lockgaming.com it's parked by gandi.net no bs, that's their slogan.
07-16-2013 , 05:06 PM
Oh it's parked just like the Cipaco domain...
07-17-2013 , 09:24 AM
Hi surprised, welcome back. Close the door on your way out
07-17-2013 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Investigation ICO
I asked the CIGA www.ciga.an if an operator without a valid Gaming License can apply for a membership at CIGA and they said no, only a company with a valid Gaming License can apply for a membership. And because JDB Services has no Gaming License they cannot apply for an CIGA membership! Cipaco N.V. is correct, JDB Services is wrong!
Hey surprised, do you have any proof for that?
07-17-2013 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ehem
Have I understood you correctly that anyone asking you for an explanation about your statement(s) or post the truth about your wrong statement(s) is = "surprised" and has to go out?

I donŽt know what evidence has "Investigation ICO", but if you throw a glance on the CIGA application form
http://ciga.an/CIGA%20Membership%20form.pdf youŽll see that they ask for a gaming license number. And if you throw a glance on the information about JDB Services N.V. at the Curacao Chamber, youŽll see that JDB Services has no gaming license! 1 + 1 = 2, or how this forum likes to say 2 + 2 = 4.
Wow you uncovered a conspiracy. Now what?
07-17-2013 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ehem
Have I understood you correctly that anyone asking you for an explanation about your statement(s) or post the truth about your wrong statement(s) is = "surprised" and has to go out?

I donŽt know what evidence has "Investigation ICO", but if you throw a glance on the CIGA application form
http://ciga.an/CIGA%20Membership%20form.pdf youŽll see that they ask for a gaming license number. And if you throw a glance on the information about JDB Services N.V. at the Curacao Chamber, youŽll see that JDB Services has no gaming license! 1 + 1 = 2, or how this forum likes to say 2 + 2 = 4.
I would really like what your fkn problem is. I never said that if you sign up to Lock that you don't sign a contract with the "displayed" company. I merly pointed out that the domains for cipaco and lock are owned by JDB.

surprised, Maybe you should direct your energy at getting your $128 from Lock instead of signing up for a new account every day to keep this "I signed a legally binding contract with Cipaco NV" stuff spinning. I'm amazed by the energy that drives you to come back every single day to rub this JDB / Cipaco bull in my face. JDB doesn't need a gaming licence as their mailbox company has one.

Now go and get a freaking life kid.

      
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