sOUNDS GREAT I Look forward to it, Lock always has something good, So I hope they don't disappoint when they finally come out with new software...... [/B][/B]

Thanks mate i did nearly 12k on the actual cake skin this month and that was only playing in the evening - late night, so i should be able to add a bit more when i play mornings too, and currently only play 200nl + going to add in lower stakes

Is the reload bonus still in effect for september?

I was pretty happy with ronin even though I didn't get every prize I couldve. Of course I would like to get every prize but a site can't offer a good promo like ronin and make it unlimited and continue to exist. Its a rake race, not a participation award, you have to win a race to get something. Everyone already gets rakeback, they can't just give every player that makes an account a million. I'm hoping the new race offers more prizes for lower levels which will be nice but also hoping the higher levels don't suffer as a result.

+1

no they email you if you win and its also on their twitter.

also want to know this

+1 higher limits should stay big

Yes it is. Check the OP.

Are Black VIPs+ going to be getting HEM 2 licenses? I've asked this like 3 or 4 times and have yet to get an answer.

I don't get what ladybruin is so up in arms about. The way I look at it is lock just added 1million to the promo of the rake chase and its not like they they are giving all that money to the top players because you can still only max it out at around 45k. So its not like they just added all the money to the top where people can't reach. I would have to think they just added more spots to the lower levels and maybe added a few more levels at the lower levels. We will have to wait and see but I would have to think the way its set up is to not block put the low stakes grinders from any levels. I would have to think its set up to reward the players that play everyday or at least 5 days a week at any of the stakes, not the players that play low-mid stakes twice a week and don't start till the 5th. The whole point of a chase is to motivate players to play more and having a cap for sure motivates players to start on the first of the month. And then if the site keeps growing im sure they will add more to teh chase like they just did.

citizen - I'm with you and I think most people are. The value on Lock even without the Ronin/whatever-they-wanna-call-it is already quite good. FWIW, I was also a player who basically got "shut out" of Ronin this month just due to my schedule. But I certainly didn't look at it as being a terrible thing. I'm already getting very nice value with VIP plus reload-bonus.

Getting 65% rakeback (or whatever it is )and complaining that the structure of Ronin "prevented" me from achieving 80% seems a bit silly to me which is why I don't do it.

I had a small complaint that Lock didn't communicate in advance that they were changing that "unlimited" aspect of Ronin. But that's all it was, a small complaint. And they seem to have listened to my observations there and elsewhere about communicating this stuff better as shown by the very existence of this thread (as one example).

Seems as you don't know yet, but when details are posted I hope it says whether there is a volume requirement or if you can just play one tournament or one hand to qualify.

Ronin has run on and off for over 2 years. Essentially unchanged in 2 years of running. August was the only month it ever ran with limits on rewards. It was such a failure in only 1 month of limited rewards that it needed a major change. The money has been doubled and the rewards multiplied by more than 8 times. My observation is that the failure that was August won't be solved by these changes and that unlimiting the first $1,000 is a better correction. If anyone thinks differently then cool beans.

From people post it is clear most of you were clueless as to how bad August was for the majority of Lock's player base. Lock wasn't as clueless and in only one month made big changes. There wasn't some swell of player outrage demanding this change. This was Lock seeing how August played out and calling it a failure and therefore needing major fixes.

It was Lock that looked at August and said damn that was a mess we have to change things big time by doubling the money and 8 timing the people getting something and it is such a big change we need to call it something different too.

It is worth re-peating Ronin ran on and off for over 2 years with unlimited rewards, but...
RIP Ronin after only one month of limited rewards. LMAO. Just sayin'.

what do you mean by this

you also say there is a leaderboard for ring games based on the 'quality of play' I dont get how you determine that

lady - I don't think anyone was clueless. I know I wasn't anyway. And I don't think Lock improving their Ronin thing from this month to next means that it was a failure. They could keep it exactly the same and I still wouldn't consider that a failure...at all. And I think most players would not think of it that way either.

They had changed the name of this promo thing before fwiw. I don't think it was always called Ronin before early 2011 even though the payouts were exactly the same. Pretty sure I remember that old version of the promo with a different name on their website that just had not been taken off.

I'm not really positive though. I didn't pay attention because I really didn't give a crap what they called it. But I think that is more a thing of them liking to change names to keep things "fresh." Just their own marketing strategy I suppose.

Really over-reading a lot of this stuff imo. Somebody disagreeing doesn't mean they are clueless. Lock weighing their options and doing whatever to the prize structure doesn't make the current way a failure or a mess.

Seems extremely likely to me that the reason they didn't implement the max number of players thing before was also related to them not having it ready in the software yet. I'm guessing they would have earlier if they had that ready to roll but since they didn't they just kept it as "give the prizes to everyone."

Remember that they had some glitches just paying out prizes at all when they were starting up this bad boy so I think that theory could be valid.

But I don't really care why it was one way before, changed later, and changed again. Overall, it's pretty much the same type of thing over and over with some fine tuning being done. And I think it's a promo with very nice value that is pretty much the opposite of failure or even mess.

From the way I read many of the posts from August, I deem a lot of people as not understanding just how drastic the limited rewards was to Lock's player base. I'll call that clueless, you call it something else then fine.

Here is the thing. Going from 2,900 people getting something to 25,000 people getting something is in my mind an attempt to replicate Ronin pre-August. I wouldn't be surprised if Lock just looked back at data from pre-August to come up with the 25,000 people rewards figure. But, and it is a big but, the 25,000 figure is still limited. As the site grows that limit will either need to be increased or it will affect more players over time.

In post #33 I made one and only one suggestion. I suggested unlimited rewards for the first $1,000 in rake. The site could double or even triple in size and with my suggestion the bottom part of the player base wouldn't be getting screwed. And the 25,000 could possibly be a fail from day one where unlimited rewards on the first $1,000 in rake wouldn't be a fail.

Microbob, both you and I have been on 2+2 for a long time. The Microbob of a long time ago who valued math, reason and fairness would probably be agreeing with me on unlimiting the first $1,000 in rake. But all I see of late from you is a disagreeable former shell of your past self, so I don't expect much from you anymore.

Ladybruin, you are the clueless one. Lock made a decision to give their highest volume players extra rakeback, and u are trying to argue that everyone deserves a piece of the pie. Well, unfortunately that isnt how it works in the real world. Before ronin or botk, you are already getting insane value. To increase volume, lock has done something very common- increase incentive to grind more. That's all it is. If you wanna make it, work for it.

JFC, you need to settle down, you are acting like they OWE you and everyone else unlimited rewards.

They don't owe you a damn thing.

Instead of writing a 12 paragraph novel of complaints every 5 posts, try playing more poker instead.

Scwattie, I'm glad you joined the tag team. But since your post doesn't include any math, reasoning, logic, historical data or anything else for that matter, you seemed to be out classed. Maybe you need to go back to playing more poker. Your post was so lame, lining you up and taking you down didn't need multiple paragraphs.

If you don't like it just GTFO and play elsewhere. Show them who's the boss ).
And don't pretend you're defending the lower stakes poker players because you're just thinking at yourself, you egocentric maniac.

This argument over unlimited rewards is ridiculous. It annoys me because it takes something we did to give a little extra to people and now its turned into a demand of things always have to be.

I also want to clear up the "running unchanged for 2 years" business. Ronin ran March/April/May in 2011, and now June/July/August in 2012. The original run had limits in place as this was enforced by Merge. Any limits that weren't hit are a reflection of the smaller player base at the time. The same limits were posted for June/July but not enforced and then they were enforced for August. So if anything if you were to say that Ronin was running 'unchanged' then you would need to be saying that there were limits as they have always been there.

Instead of focussing on what lower level players dont have how about we focus on what they do have. Great rakeback, ridiculous bonuses, plenty of other value in Lock Lotto and 110 seats to the $110K. And this is before we get the full details of the reworked rake chase with more value for lower level players. We want to reward all of our players, but we have to do so with reasonable restraint so that we can continue as a business and continue to offer the service we provide.

Shane, I have a basic question.

This is the BOTK thread right???

This isn't the rakeback, bonuses, Lock Lotto, 110 seat thread is it? There seems to be a sticky thread called September that fits those others. Just a basic logic question, but logic seems to be in rare supply around here lately.

Shane, nevermind you don't have to answer my basic question. I was just making a point.

As for that second paragraph you wrote, it might work better if you acknowledge the huge change from August to September limit-wise. Leaving that out seems beyond hypocritcal.

Thank you for making this point, we really didn't need 2 threads anymore so I merged them. This is now the September promotions thread.

Feel free to returning your logic crusade.