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Old 10-25-2012, 12:46 PM   #51
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Re: Rigged?

welcome to varience
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:31 PM   #52
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Re: Rigged?

Yup....when one is running good, one thinks, "I'm a great player"...and things are just as they should be.

Then when things go south, one thinks, "this is an anomaly" ...and it's just a matter of time 'till the "norm" returns. Unfortunately, for most players, they often burn through their entire bankroll before the "norm" returns again for long enough to think that "I'm still a great player"....lol
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:37 PM   #53
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Hi everyone,

I was just wondering what people's thoughts were on Lock being somewhat rigged. I have noticed that when I deposit, I run really well for about a week and take a huge dive right after. Set over set, runner runner straights, etc.

So, is it possible that Lock intentionally delivers knockout blows to certain players bankrolls because they know they will deposit again? I know I sound paranoid but I have noticed this huge trend after numerous deposits.

Thanks
It's the psychology of poker. While on a downswing, we sometimes go on tilt and come off our game. If you tilt badly, or don't practice bankroll management, going bust is inevitable. But then, upon reloading, we "reset", and play winning poker again. This is a common trend, so sure, other people will report experiencing it as well. There are many books, articles, and threads about how to manage a downswing. Personally, I like to focus on taking notes during a downswing.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:19 PM   #54
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Re: Rigged?

^^ I started to track my every possible stat myself. Very therapeutic, actually, and kept me distracted during play, which is good (not taking stupid shots in bad position, etc.).

I find that busying myself with other activities during play, as opposed to simply watching the table the whole time, lends itself to a better result - but that's just me. Also - after a big win or cash, I tend to play a little looser trying to get a big lead early in MTTs. I start picking up bad habits, and before you know it, I'm looking at my bankroll thinking...WTF happened?

Another thing - after a big cash, make it a point to cash out a good chunk of your winnings, especially if you aren't a multiple MTT-player reg playing every day. Keeps you from completely tanking your bankroll and still gives you a feel of confidence when you turn a $50 deposit into a nice $500 WU or check (or, a $$ P2P transfer, which is becoming more and more the way to go for me to avoid delays). And even if you do manage to lose what you left on your account after your winnings, you can always reload - however, I too feel that sting of having to reload, especially after you think you've turned a corner, saying to yourself "I WILL NEVER HAVE TO RELOAD AGAIN! I IS A WINNERS!!!"

I need to follow my own advice more...haha - but keep it simple, stay patient, and the good players will win more than they lose, in the long run.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:41 PM   #55
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Yes, it is rigged. Not joking.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:19 PM   #56
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I'm not usually a rigtard, but there is something fishy going on here. I've played quite a bit of poker and I've never experienced anything like the variance I've seen since lock took over the network.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:41 PM   #57
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I have been getting killed lately, so many set over sets, KK vs AA, straight vs set, etc
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:51 AM   #58
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It is more than a coincidence that the same thing is happening to many others. I shouldn't have to feel like the site itself has an edge over me. They want the money dumped back on the site before it is cashed out. It doesn't even seem possible to grind on this site.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:20 AM   #59
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Online poker is clearly rigged against people with small sample sizes who don't use statistic tracking software.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #60
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Hi everyone,

I was just wondering what people's thoughts were on Lock being somewhat rigged. I have noticed that when I deposit, I run really well for about a week and take a huge dive right after. Set over set, runner runner straights, etc.

So, is it possible that Lock intentionally delivers knockout blows to certain players bankrolls because they know they will deposit again? I know I sound paranoid but I have noticed this huge trend after numerous deposits.

Thanks
Hi Marcum,

You're not being paranoid. I have noticed the exact same pattern on this site 100% of the time I have played there. Run great until you double your bankroll or something like that, and then nothing but missed flops, river card this river card that.

Look, anybody with any sense at all can see that it is kind of funny how everyone has the same pattern. I mean I just deposited on that gay site about 24 hours ago and I'm already sick to my stomach with this stupid crap.

Sorry this is happening to you but don't worry, you're not alone. We're all getting screwed. There is no way under the sun that this many people would have this same common story if it was not rigged.

River after River on this site. Worst than any other site besides Gay ass Bovada
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:26 PM   #61
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Honestly? I noticed a very similar trend for myself. However: it's almost impossible to prove, and i doubt it's very easy to even write code for their poker client / algorithms to do this.

It's probably just coincidence, i honestly don't believe anything like this can be possible unless i see very strong proof, anything else and i'll say "human psychology" (yes, also for myself seeing a similar trend). Sure, you can't deny it if you indeed run bad/good at certain moments, but you could see so many corelations in all things in life if you try to see them - it doesn't make them true, though
hey sorry you have had similar experiences. Where are the stories of people running good on this site? It's funny how it all happens at the same time...

-The closer you are to zero the worst you run.
-Get rivered out a ridiculous # of times
-Stop hitting flops in 3-bet pots (almost all of them)
-Stop hitting flops in standard raised pots
-Get nothing but 5 or less for your kicker
-Coolered on the turn
-AA cracked (always in the biggest of pots)

Look this **** is making me furious just typing about it. I mean here I am in a micro cash game trying to hold on to my last bit of my last deposit and I haven't hit a flop in over an hour.

Anybody (even Risen) knows that this is ridiculous and no doubt rigged
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:24 PM   #62
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So, how big are your sample sizes?
I started playing on lock about a week ago, and have only played about 3000 hands, but so far everything seems to be running pretty close to what I would expect.
Yes I've had some bad beats, but that's poker.
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #63
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Where are the stories of people running good on this site?
One advantage of the Leaderboard promotion is that you (and everyone) can see and sharkscope some of the winning players.
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:36 PM   #64
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Rigged? No. If you think it's rigged you're probably just not a very good player. Crooked in the way they handle withdrawals? Yes. But the poker software is not rigged.
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:19 PM   #65
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Not surprised that all of you people who figured out how it's rigged but are unable to exploit it to make a ton of money are unable to beat poker.

Hint: If it's rigged to make you run well when you deposit, then deposit as much money as you can and play the highest limits. Then wait a couple more days and deposit again and keep playing high stakes. You will be a millionaire in no time.
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:54 PM   #66
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Not surprised that all of you people who figured out how it's rigged but are unable to exploit it to make a ton of money are unable to beat poker.

Hint: If it's rigged to make you run well when you deposit, then deposit as much money as you can and play the highest limits. Then wait a couple more days and deposit again and keep playing high stakes. You will be a millionaire in no time.
Lol that was pretty funny... I dont believe it is rigged either, I have never bought into that, theres no way to prove it, the site doesnt really gain that much and they take a HUGE risk to what? Steal a couple hundred or thousand dollars here and there? Doesn't make sense, they already make bank with the rake alone, stealing money from low-mid stakes players possibly jeopardizes their whole business, perhaps even their livelihood (jail). I could see where this could be an issue at high levels of play where players are depositing THOUSANDS of dollars at a time, but many players at that level track their play very well and would be able to catch patterns and inconsistencies if there were any, and either blow the whistle or stop playing at the site altogether
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:50 PM   #67
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Lol that was pretty funny... I dont believe it is rigged either, I have never bought into that, theres no way to prove it, the site doesnt really gain that much and they take a HUGE risk to what? Steal a couple hundred or thousand dollars here and there? Doesn't make sense, they already make bank with the rake alone, stealing money from low-mid stakes players possibly jeopardizes their whole business, perhaps even their livelihood (jail). I could see where this could be an issue at high levels of play where players are depositing THOUSANDS of dollars at a time, but many players at that level track their play very well and would be able to catch patterns and inconsistencies if there were any, and either blow the whistle or stop playing at the site altogether
This so much. You always have to remember they'll make tons of money off people WITHOUT cheating / it being rigged.


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It is more than a coincidence that the same thing is happening to many others.
No, it means human psychology is more or less the same for every person, we're unique, so while everyone thinks in a slightly different way, most of what we do / think is about the same. The same applies here.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:17 PM   #68
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Re: Rigged?

I'm going to assume you're a casual low-to-mid stakes player. I base this off the fact that you think Lock is rigged. Do you really think they are trying to screw you out of a few hundred bucks while other players are raking? Wouldn't it make more sense to "rig" against the people who are making huge withdrawals?

Low stakes players will lose their money without any aid. And if they don't they move up higher and generate more rake. Sounds like a case of "cry more plz."
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:36 AM   #69
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Not surprised that all of you people who figured out how it's rigged but are unable to exploit it to make a ton of money are unable to beat poker.

Hint: If it's rigged to make you run well when you deposit, then deposit as much money as you can and play the highest limits. Then wait a couple more days and deposit again and keep playing high stakes. You will be a millionaire in no time.
This.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:00 AM   #70
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Re: Rigged?

I have noticed a pattern, at least in the past 2 months. Usually, right after I cashout, I start to run like GOD. However, shortly before I reach my next withdrawal target, I start to run like absolute ****. Go figure....
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:28 AM   #71
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seems pretty rigged to me, I play terrible but cant stop winning and its been months now
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:39 AM   #72
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seems pretty rigged to me, I play terrible but cant stop winning and its been months now
Best post of the thread.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:13 AM   #73
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i have over 1,000,000 hand samples on Intertops poker which is on the Revolution Network (same network as Lock) and I am ranked 8th overall on the site. After multi tabling 20-30 tables, 8 hours a day I can tell you this site is rigged and the RCG is not random at all. After cashing out $20,000 in May of 2012 I have been unable to produce a winning month. I am over 100 BI under EV. If someone saw my profit graph compared to my EV graph that would be evidence alone of the legitimacy of this software. After losing about a steady $1000-$3000 a month (even after making over $3,000 a month just in rakeback and leaderboard money), I decided I had enough. I asked my brother who is a programmer getting his doc at UNH right now to help me and he got some buddies and looked over some stats using HEM2 and another program they created. Here are some statistics that make no sense. I took a small sample of 100,000 hands and these are the results. Btn wins 65% of time when 2 or more hands go to showdown. SB lost 68% of time on the same token. When measuring aggression factor we took a smaller sample of 10,000ish hands. Aggressor of the hand (player who raises preflop either 3-bet, 4bet whoever put in last bet) won SEVENTY EIGHT PERCENT of Pots. Not all of these went to showdown but 78? Is this random? There are many other stats I have I am not sharing because we are trying to come up with some way to get a lawsuit together if possible which it is probably not because of how protected these people are. However if anyone is interested you can email me at dayyuuuumx3@aim.com. I have had better results on the merge network and have made the full switch in the last month. GL at the tables although luck has nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:47 AM   #74
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can we get some mod bans & thread deletions up in here? jesus christ go back to 2005 u poker is rigged fools
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:57 AM   #75
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Lol @ 10k hand sample.
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