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Old 06-28-2012, 12:34 PM   #31
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

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based on the data I have if I launched these they'd have $500-$1000+ overlay immed.
Typically, $11 and $16.50 rebuys/cubed tourmanents are very likely to attract players from pretty much all stakes : it will run with players taking 'one barrel shots' from the micro stakes and with some high stakes players as well.

That's why I think those have a great potential for reaching way higher price-pools than what you seem to expect.


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I'm happy to implement those buy ins but I can't launch those with those guarantees. ... I could launch these buy ins with lower guaranteeds then if they're successful I'm happy to raise them.
That would be a great start!
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:14 PM   #32
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

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I could add a 5/10 level at the beginning (effectively doubling starting stacks) and a 250/500 level in the middle.

Realize I have to balance A LOT of things for these. It's not just a matter of coming up with the best structure possible but making sure tournaments start and end by certain times (for instance, 7pm tournaments appeal to a lot of casual players, which is GREAT, but if they last until 4-5am that's too late). I've looked at some of the durations of current tournaments and I think adding these two levels would help some. I'd like to try that for a few weeks and get some feedback and then if that isn't enough adjust level times or starting stacks. Thoughts?

BTW - as a player I always thought this sort of thing was super simple, but I never really realize all the extranious things that have to be balanced as well. I'm happy to try and respond to feedback as well as possible, but it's definitely a juggling act to keep everyone happy.

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I am not sure how others feel, but I think that adding a level (30/60 or 40/80) between 25/50 and 50/100 would be much more preferable than a 5/10 level. 5/10 doesn't create much action and starting with 300 vs 150 bbs is not as necessary.

However, say you have a starting stack (3k chips), jumping from 25/50 to 50/100, you go from 60bbs to 30bbs. That is huge and takes out much of the mid-stack play. 30/60 would give everybody time to maneuver at the 50bb stack size that is critical towards chipping up by making plays.

Just adding that level alone would be a big improvement. A 250/500 level would be nice as well, and go a long ways towards ensuring stack sizes are a bit more playable in the mid to late stages.

Either increasing blind levels to 15 mins or increasing stack sizes (or both), especially for the weekly special tournies and a few selected regular ones ($33 fo at 5:15 and $60 fo at 6:00) would really raise the quality of the schedule and promote both more regs and casual players to enter.

Thanks for your responses and efforts to make the site better Rizen.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:53 PM   #33
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

the rebuy structures are awful. 1500 chips starting stack and rebuys for 40+4 and 50+5 starting at 25/50? Might as well play the lottery.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:23 PM   #34
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

One turbo of PLO and PLO8 would be nice. $10-$20 range.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:09 AM   #35
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Has the 60 min late reg for the Hypers been resolved yet. Had people late regging at the final table of the night time $55 Hyper last week.

I would <3 if the Saturday $109 7.5k GTD turbo ran daily, even if it had a smaller guarantee during the week,
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:48 AM   #36
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Thanks for coming in this thread Rizen. 250/500 level should be added to all MTTs asap imo. Also, I LOVED Stars/FTP rebuys, not sure why Lock can't replicate that to an extent. I would love to see a nightly midstake cubed tourney. I think a $22c 6K 20:00 server time would be awesome. Also, I've never understood having two rebuy tournaments starting at the same time where the smaller buyin has a larger guarantee than the bigger buyin. Example, their $5r 2K and a $10r 1.5K at 2:00 PM. I think it looks pretty terrible to be honest. The larger buyin should always have a larger guarantee imo. Daytime schedule def needs some work as well. Add a special daytime Saturday tournament please. I don't understand why Merge didn't do this either. a $109 15-20K with a nice structure anywhere from 1:00-3:00 PM. Gives the players a chance at a decent score and keeps their Saturday night open. Advertise satellites to it and it meets the guarantee, guaranteed.

My satellite suggestions. I'd love to see Lock bring some Double Shootout Satellites back. Put them in the main tournament lobby and watch them fill. Add some $22 turbo satellites to the daily $109 that guarantees 5 seats and a $33 to the daily $215 that also guarantees 5 seats. Also $10r satellites for $109 and $215 tickets would also be popular. Add SNG satellites to the lobby information for tournaments. If players open the lobby of the $215 15K, and see SNG satellites options that are filling, they will be more inclined to register, creating larger prizepools and less overlay. Use 6 max and 9 max for those. I'd actually love to see Lock implement a $T system, instead of tickets. I'd love to have won a $109 satellite and be able to combine that with my cash if I wanted to play a $162 or $215. I like playing satellites, but haven't played any at all since the move. I know I'd add them to my schedule all the time if some of these changes were made and they were worth playing.

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Old 06-29-2012, 10:20 AM   #37
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

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the rebuy structures are awful. 1500 chips starting stack and rebuys for 40+4 and 50+5 starting at 25/50? Might as well play the lottery.
Are you talking about regular or turbo rebuys? For turbo I could agree and I'm making some changes, but for regular yes they start at 25/50, but the rebuy period is finished with 75/150 and 5500 chips minimum if you've double rebought/added on. While that's not super deep stacked, it's certainly playable and many players will have more than that post add on.

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Old 06-29-2012, 10:27 AM   #38
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Could you at least give the Nightly $215 a bump to 5k chips instead of 3k chips?

Any ideas when Lockops is going to be run? Is that still a thing?

And what is the deal with all the overlays..don't get me wrong, it's obviously great for anyone playing, but how can you guys keep running these tournaments day after day getting a few thousand overlay and not slash them at least a little bit? Seems a bit suspicious. Are you guys hoping to ride it out until WSOP is over, when the player pool should increase?
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:37 AM   #39
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Also, can you guys change the minimum number of people required to start some of these tournaments? The $162 freezeout and $82 rebuys hardly ever run because they don't get enough people to start it..Why not just lower the guarantee to even some tiny amount, and change the required minimum to something like 5 players..some rake is better than no rake, right? It would be nice if every tournament on the schedule ran.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:39 AM   #40
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

LockOps is definitely going to run, I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to say or not say at this point, but obv running it during WSOP isn't a great idea.

As far as overlays go, the higher buy ins are getting overlays right now, and a combination of WSOP being over and I'm trying to add more satellites should help.

I know improving the satellite system to use some sort of $T like system is a priority, as right now having satellites only go to specific tournaments is kind of brutal.

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Could you at least give the Nightly $215 a bump to 5k chips instead of 3k chips?

Any ideas when Lockops is going to be run? Is that still a thing?

And what is the deal with all the overlays..don't get me wrong, it's obviously great for anyone playing, but how can you guys keep running these tournaments day after day getting a few thousand overlay and not slash them at least a little bit? Seems a bit suspicious. Are you guys hoping to ride it out until WSOP is over, when the player pool should increase?
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:47 PM   #41
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Can we start the Sunday $10 10k gtd with at least 3k chips instead of 2k and maybe add a low buy in deepstack higher gtd tourny on sundays. Or maybe just make the $20 8k gtd on Sundays a deepstack instead of starting with 3k chips.

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Old 06-30-2012, 12:22 AM   #42
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Can we start the Sunday $10 10k gtd with at least 3k chips instead of 2k and maybe add a low buy in deepstack higher gtd tourny on sundays. Or maybe just make the $20 8k gtd on Sundays a deepstack instead of starting with 3k chips.

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Old 06-30-2012, 08:51 AM   #43
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Can we start the Sunday $10 10k gtd with at least 3k chips instead of 2k and maybe add a low buy in deepstack higher gtd tourny on sundays. Or maybe just make the $20 8k gtd on Sundays a deepstack instead of starting with 3k chips.

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Old 06-30-2012, 01:22 PM   #44
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Re: **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

Is there anyway to filter out the sattys? When I unclick the satty tab satty's do NOT disappear, but random big freeze outs disappear.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:29 PM   #45
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Appreciate the changes to turbo rebuys Rizen. These tournaments will be a lot more fun to play.
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