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**Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread** **Revolution Tournament Improvement Thread**

06-23-2012 , 06:46 PM
This type of thread was very successful in the Carbon forum. Granted, they have reps over there that respond much more frequently and passed ideas along. I'm hopeful this can be stickied and we can have the same type of impact that thread had in getting tournaments added, stuctures changed, and guarantees raised. I'm hopeful Shane can monitor this thread and pass along our ideas and ask for input on a regular basis.

I'll start. Please change the rebuy structures. Starting them at 25/50 is absurd. Larger addons would be appreciated too. Also run more satellites to the daily $109 and $215. When I open the lobby for the $109 7.5Kt tonight, I see no satellites for this event in the lobby. I see one for the $215 15K. That's absurd. Give us some cubed tournaments. There are none during the day that I've seen. Lastly, more freezeouts with decent guarantees would be nice. Almost everything on the schedule is a rebuy or turbo deepstack. I think everyone would appreciate some mid-stake MTTs ($11-$33) with decent guarantees.
06-24-2012 , 04:12 AM
I'd like to see a larger gtd 11 or 22 be run during the week. Similar to the 11 on Sunday afternoon, but make it one of the weekday's main event. Something like a 10k 22 on Friday night or something.
06-24-2012 , 10:42 AM
Please implement some new mid-stakes guaranteed tournaments during the low traffic hours.

There is curently absolutely nothing to play for about 4.5 hours over 11$! What a f*ing joke this is.
06-24-2012 , 07:41 PM
Your site would benefit greatly from a more expanded Omaha8 tourney schedule with low-stakes buy-ins. players would fill them up a lot more than they would the hundreth Hold 'em tourney in a given hour.

Also, mix-game tourneys would be great at lower buy ins. Especially horse, but also look into stud mix, omaha/8 mix and even 7game and 8game is extremely popular in the poker community right now.

And believe me, players would sign up for it; I'd be right there leading the pack.

Sincerely,
your loyal low-stakes grinder.
06-25-2012 , 12:01 AM
MUST CHANGE REBUY STRUCTURE. 10 mins before the add-on break and a double rebuy is less than 10 bbs...lol
06-25-2012 , 04:28 AM
Are there any horse tourneys or cash games? I cant find them maybe Im just dumb. If not +1 to adding them
06-25-2012 , 05:31 AM
Returning to the structures they had before lock came over would be an upgrade.
To make it easy just apply deepstack structure to all GTD tournaments over $55.
06-25-2012 , 10:13 AM
not sure if this is mac only, but get rid of the take my seat button before the first hand of a tournament. If you're multitabling it can easily cause you to sit out some hands
06-25-2012 , 12:10 PM
Definitely agree on rebuy structure, but this is particularly acute with turbo rebuys. Adding just a few more levels would make these much more palatable.

Id also like to see an expanded Omaha and Omaha8 schedule, and for the existing tournaments to expand their guarantees on Sunday.
06-25-2012 , 12:42 PM
I understand the low buy in tourny's starting w/2k chips but can we at least have the Sunday $10 10k gtd starting with 3k chips (or more) and maybe even the everyday $10 2k gtd that starts 8pm starting w/3k chips?
06-25-2012 , 07:01 PM
Pretty sure the $10 Sunday 10k plays with a worse structure than random other daily tournaments.
06-25-2012 , 07:22 PM
The high roller absolutely needs to be more than a 3k starting stack.
06-27-2012 , 07:31 AM
Have more deepstacked tournaments. The way tournaments are structured right now 80% of the field gets short stacked once the blinds reach 75/150 level.

Also, the time given for each player to act preflop( 70 seconds) is way too much. From what I have experienced, many players seem to take a long time to act and with blinds increasing every 12 minutes this a big disadvantage. I played the 5K GTD rebuy yesterday and after 1.5 hrs of play saw 42 hands. Due to this I feel that the variance level involved exponentially increases. Please address this issue.
06-27-2012 , 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IBGrindin
This type of thread was very successful in the Carbon forum. Granted, they have reps over there that respond much more frequently and passed ideas along. I'm hopeful this can be stickied and we can have the same type of impact that thread had in getting tournaments added, stuctures changed, and guarantees raised. I'm hopeful Shane can monitor this thread and pass along our ideas and ask for input on a regular basis.

I'll start. Please change the rebuy structures. Starting them at 25/50 is absurd. Larger addons would be appreciated too. Also run more satellites to the daily $109 and $215. When I open the lobby for the $109 7.5Kt tonight, I see no satellites for this event in the lobby. I see one for the $215 15K. That's absurd. Give us some cubed tournaments. There are none during the day that I've seen. Lastly, more freezeouts with decent guarantees would be nice. Almost everything on the schedule is a rebuy or turbo deepstack. I think everyone would appreciate some mid-stake MTTs ($11-$33) with decent guarantees.
I actually do a large part of the tournament schedule, which is part of the reason I've been less active over here (been SUPER busy between WSOP and this stuff).

I'll address a few points here:

1) rebuy structures - yes I started them at 25/50, but I also added a 30/60 and 40/80 level. basically I removed two early levels and added to middle levels. This change was based on a lot of the feedback I received from both players and pros.

2) Satellites - can you give me some times and types of satellites you would like to see? I def want to add more satellites to these tournaments, but I'm still feeling out what players like the most/are the most successful, so any feedback I would consider very helpful.

3) can you give me some specific suggestions for times/buy ins etc you'd like to see. I'm happy to add more tournaments, although obviously if they're not successful I'll have to change/remove them.

-Rizen
06-27-2012 , 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSw0rd
Please implement some new mid-stakes guaranteed tournaments during the low traffic hours.

There is curently absolutely nothing to play for about 4.5 hours over 11$! What a f*ing joke this is.
Can you give some specific times/suggestions?

Thanks

-Rizen
06-27-2012 , 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxwoodsComeUp
Your site would benefit greatly from a more expanded Omaha8 tourney schedule with low-stakes buy-ins. players would fill them up a lot more than they would the hundreth Hold 'em tourney in a given hour.

Also, mix-game tourneys would be great at lower buy ins. Especially horse, but also look into stud mix, omaha/8 mix and even 7game and 8game is extremely popular in the poker community right now.

And believe me, players would sign up for it; I'd be right there leading the pack.

Sincerely,
your loyal low-stakes grinder.
Right now the software doesn't support Stud, but we're working on implementing that (although I believe there are other higher priorities right now) and once they do I'll add more HORSE tournaments. I'm working on expanding the Omaha/8 schedule right now as well as increasing some of the guarantees on the ones that are currently exceeding them.

Thanks

-Rizen
06-27-2012 , 09:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boneralert
Definitely agree on rebuy structure, but this is particularly acute with turbo rebuys. Adding just a few more levels would make these much more palatable.

Id also like to see an expanded Omaha and Omaha8 schedule, and for the existing tournaments to expand their guarantees on Sunday.
What levels would you like to see added?

Thanks

-Rizen
06-27-2012 , 11:25 AM
Just wanted to point out a few bugs. The tourney lobbies tend to freeze up often mid way through the tourney. There's usually people asking for the tourney info from other players at the table.

Also the tourney blind structure is always mixed up. sometimes you just have to wait a bit and if sorts itself out, but majority of the time it stays random.

Please keep this in mind when making adjustments to the software. Its always nice to have a clean/smooth running lobby during a tourney.

Thanks,
06-27-2012 , 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ifeelfreely
Just wanted to point out a few bugs. The tourney lobbies tend to freeze up often mid way through the tourney. There's usually people asking for the tourney info from other players at the table.

Also the tourney blind structure is always mixed up. sometimes you just have to wait a bit and if sorts itself out, but majority of the time it stays random.

Please keep this in mind when making adjustments to the software. Its always nice to have a clean/smooth running lobby during a tourney.

Thanks,
Yes - the lobby issues are a top priority.

Thanks

-Rizen
06-27-2012 , 11:56 AM
Not really sure why the tournament structure issues keep getting ignored. Fixing those alone would be a big improvement to the site and bring in way more traffic.

I used to grind tons on Lock pre move, but cannot justify playing what amounts to turbos at mid to high stakes.

The only tournament I currently play is the 5:15 pm (pst) $33 fo. This tourny would benefit from either 15 min levels, added levels both early, mid and late or both. The tourny which I felt had the best value and structure (the $44 fo at 5:30) has been removed from the schedule?

Since the schedule mirrors Merge, why not the structures. The special $60 on monday and wednesday has 12 min blinds and a 3k starting stack vs. 20 mins and 15 mins with a $5-10k stack on merge respectively. There is just no way you can justify trying to bring in more traffic while having much worse schedules than your main competition.

With regards to structure, everything over $30 should be 15 min levels and include either a 30/60 or 40/80 level (or both). As well as a 60/120, 250/500 and an extra level deep so that avg stacks equal more like 20-25 blinds late, rather than 10-15bbs.

Once again, this is your main issue from a mtt perspective. If you sorted it out, I would play quite a bit more, and I'm sure others would as well.
06-27-2012 , 12:39 PM
Re: turbo rebuys

Quote:
Originally Posted by LockRizen
What levels would you like to see added?

Thanks

-Rizen

I think one way to do it would be to add 5/10, 10/20, and 20/40 at the very beginning instead of starting at 25/50. If my math is correct, that would put us at 150/300 at the break, or 10 BBs for a double rebuy. I also think adding a 250/500 level would help. This is just one way to do it, but the main issue I have is letting the blinds get so high before the rebuy period is over - it really mitigates whatever skill advantage you have during the first hour and makes these feel more like a super turbo.
06-27-2012 , 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chevy chasin
Not really sure why the tournament structure issues keep getting ignored. Fixing those alone would be a big improvement to the site and bring in way more traffic.

I used to grind tons on Lock pre move, but cannot justify playing what amounts to turbos at mid to high stakes.

The only tournament I currently play is the 5:15 pm (pst) $33 fo. This tourny would benefit from either 15 min levels, added levels both early, mid and late or both. The tourny which I felt had the best value and structure (the $44 fo at 5:30) has been removed from the schedule?

Since the schedule mirrors Merge, why not the structures. The special $60 on monday and wednesday has 12 min blinds and a 3k starting stack vs. 20 mins and 15 mins with a $5-10k stack on merge respectively. There is just no way you can justify trying to bring in more traffic while having much worse schedules than your main competition.

With regards to structure, everything over $30 should be 15 min levels and include either a 30/60 or 40/80 level (or both). As well as a 60/120, 250/500 and an extra level deep so that avg stacks equal more like 20-25 blinds late, rather than 10-15bbs.

Once again, this is your main issue from a mtt perspective. If you sorted it out, I would play quite a bit more, and I'm sure others would as well.
Totally agree. I don't know why Rizen is taking so much time with the structures. He's a tournament pro so he should be very familiar with these things but if he's on some very busy schedule I have a suggestion. PokerStars has some very good MTT structures why not copy/paste those and would only take an hour. Use TheBig's structure for regular MTT's, TheHot's structure for regular turbos, plus they have a lot of good structures for re-buys, deep, cubed, hypers, etc. I prefer the deeper & slower structures but probably not everybody's like me so you should think of something for everybody. The problem is that at the moment almost every tournament on Lock plays like a turbo or 2x-turbo.
06-27-2012 , 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LockRizen
Can you give some specific times/suggestions?

Thanks

-Rizen

05:00 $2,500 GTD R&A Holdem NL $15+1.50
06:00 $2,000 GTD (1R1A) Holdem NL $20+2
07:00 $1,750 GTD - Holdem NL $40+4
07:30 $2,000 GTD Turbo (1R1A) - Holdem NL $11+1
08:00 $1,500 GTD Deepstack Turbo - Holdem NL $30+3
06-27-2012 , 05:27 PM
SitNGo Step tournaments please!

These always seem popular, and they allow lower stakes/bankroll players to occasionally "step up" their stakes, excitement, fun, etc.
06-28-2012 , 05:39 AM
+1 to steps SNGs

      
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