I thought about posting this in the Internet Forum, but...didn't want it to disappear off the first page with all the discussion going on. But since Lock is the leading Revolution skin, might as well post this here. I'll keep a track on this, comparing the numbers week to week. And will note the changes should the tourneys themselves receive adjustment (I have a sneaking suspicion they will, yet again, and soon).

SUNDAY, JUNE 23RD, 2013 OVERLAY REPORT

$75k GTD Pro Elite Bounty ($125 + $9)

Players: 623
Total Prize Pool: $77,875
Overlay: NO ($2,875 over GTD)
Rake: $5,607
Total Earned/Lost: $5,607 earned

$50k GTD Super Stack Pro Elite Bounty ($125 + $9)

Players: 74
Total Prize Pool: $50,000
Overlay: YES ($13,000 under GTD)
Rake: $2,220
Total Earned/Lost: -$10,780 lost

$15k GTD Deepstack ($200 + $15)

Players: 64
Total Prize Pool: $15,000
Overlay: YES ($2,200 under GTD)
Rake: $960
Total Earned/Lost: -$1,240 lost

$15k GTD R&A ($55 + $5)

Players: 68 (58 rebuys, 47 add-ons)
Total Prize Pool: $15,000
Overlay: YES ($5,485 under GTD)
Rake: $340
Total Earned/Lost: -$5,145 lost

$10k GTD Big Bounty ($20 + $2)

Players: 469 ($10 from entry goes to bounty pool)
Total Prize Pool: $10,000
Overlay: YES ($5,310 under GTD)
Rake: $938
Total Earned/Lost: -$4,372 lost

$10k GTD ($100 + $9)

Players: 100
Total Prize Pool: $10,000
Overlay: NO ($0 over GTD)
Rake: $900
Total Earned/Lost: $900 earned

$7.5k GTD ($20 + $2)

Players: 313
Total Prize Pool: $7,500
Overlay: YES ($1,240 under GTD)
Rake: $626
Total Earned/Lost: -$614 lost

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Total Overlays: -$24,360 (2 of 7 were at GTD or +GTD)
Total Rake: $11,591

Total Earned/Lost: -$15,644


/report

n1 tehnutz. I hope lock reps actually look at this and take the info on board. That much overlay is gross from lock pokers stand point.

I can see my $$$ being used to pay for pointless overlays..

+1 , putting it in black and white for the morons. Shane will probably spin it to "lock are commited to providing value for customers"

also the $4k depo "bonus" and any rakeback north of 40% should be stopped immediately

Did you factor in that lock gave away 50 seats to the 75k. If not thats $-6700.

$125 + $9 (since they are paying the rake/fee) = $134 * 50 seats = $6700.

I think your math on the $20 bounty 10k is off. 469 players x $20 buyin = $9380. So only $620 overlay, not $5310.

They also have satellites to most of these, so - guess I'll just have to add a brief note with the weekly report about that.

$10 of the $20 buy-in goes back to the players in the form of bounties. Doesn't count as any part of the standard prize pool.

I could be wrong, but I think the way Revolution does GTD Bounty MTTs, the guarantee amount includes the bounty pool. It's late and Im sort of confused on the math, but I think donkiman is right, the overlay wouldn't be that large in that particular tourney.

You should also add the 215 high roller on there

I think the 50k is $530 BI

Is that a nightly tourney or a Sunday major? I'm not sure...if it's a Sunday game, I'll definitely add it.

Grrr....you are absolutely correct on this. The math of the overlays on the $50k is right...just forgot to change the buy-in info. I usually catch those mistakes - won't make that one again.

Ahhhhh now I finally get it. They may say "$10k GTD" but it is sort of a play on words based on how they usually break it down. Alright - I'll fix it up real quick. New report coming!

SUNDAY, JUNE 23RD, 2013 OVERLAY REPORT (AMENDED!!!)
Sunday majors with $7.5k GTD's or greater comprise this report

$75k GTD Pro Elite Bounty ($125 + $9)

Players: 623
Total Prize Pool: $77,875
Overlay: NO ($2,875 over GTD)
Rake: $5,607
BOUNTIES: $2,000 (4 pros)
Total Earned/Lost: $3,607 earned

$50k GTD Super Stack Pro Elite Bounty ($500 + $30)

Players: 74
Total Prize Pool: $50,000
Overlay: YES ($13,000 under GTD)
Rake: $2,220
BOUNTIES: $1,000 (2 pros)
Total Earned/Lost: -$11,780 lost

$20k GTD High Roller ($200 + $15)

Players: 84
Total Prize Pool: $20,000
Overlay: YES ($3,200 under GTD)
Rake: $1260
Total Earned/Lost: -$1,940 lost

$15k GTD Deepstack ($200 + $15)

Players: 64
Total Prize Pool: $15,000
Overlay: YES ($2,200 under GTD)
Rake: $960
Total Earned/Lost: -$1,240 lost

$15k GTD R&A ($55 + $5)

Players: 68 (58 rebuys, 47 add-ons)
Total Prize Pool: $15,000
Overlay: YES ($5,485 under GTD)
Rake: $340
Total Earned/Lost: -$5,145 lost

$10k GTD Big Bounty ($20 + $2)

Players: 469
Total Prize Pool: $10,000
Overlay: YES ($620 under GTD)
Rake: $938
Total Earned/Lost: $318 earned

$10k GTD ($100 + $9)

Players: 100
Total Prize Pool: $10,000
Overlay: NO ($0 over GTD)
Rake: $900
Total Earned/Lost: $900 earned

$7.5k GTD ($20 + $2)

Players: 313
Total Prize Pool: $7,500
Overlay: YES ($1,240 under GTD)
Rake: $626
Total Earned/Lost: -$614 lost

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Total Overlays: -$25,745 (2 of 8 were at GTD or +GTD)
Total Rake: $12,851

Total Network Earned/Lost: -$15,894


/report

The daily Lock Exclusive tournaments are just BLEEDING money. $2500 Guarantee 100+9's reach about 13 people. IF these tournaments even meet the minimum amount of players required to start, they are just bleeding with overlays.

so Lock is giving away free money and your posting about it to stop it? good job

Just reporting. I'm pretty sure Lock is well aware of the overlays.

Ironically I left Lock cuz the player pool got too small (oh and the fact that they don't pay their customers), but now it might be worth getting back on to play this one because the site is dying faster than they can adjust their overlays.

It isn't giving money away if you can never get the money off of the site.

there's obviously other skins on the network

They aren't. They use to have a 215 daily MTT that was network wide that overlayed 1-1.5k everyday....it took them prob 8 months to lower the guarentee

Its play money I am sure lock will be very concerned with all the bonus money they are handing out hand over fist. Omgz they could possibly go bankrupt with mismanagement like this.,.......

What has Lock done in the last 6 months that gives you any confidence they know how to run a business?
You have too much faith

Still waiting on results from one tournament for this week's report, but - surprisingly, as of this moment, Revolution has managed to almost reach the "break even" point today. That's a huge jump from the almost $16,000 they lost on the Sunday majors last week. Stay tuned...

thanks for making them aware of this - i hate playing tournaments when there's massive overlays!

Serious man? If cashouts were 1-2 months then yeah i get ya but in the current state of things them saving 10k+ in overlays each week might help people get paid (but probably not because they are scum IMO).

I really doubt when the overlays are gone that their payouts are going to pick up

Out of time - sorry...but can say Revolution managed to only lose $764 this Sunday. That's down hardily from last week.