To the Lock Guys,

I'm looking to figure out exactly how many VIP points will be distributed per dollar raked in tournament rake on the Revolution network. It is imperative that I learn this information asap because I have to make my June plans. I was originally planning on playing on Carbon for June to try to win the last man standing, however with the introduction of Ronin I would rather play that if it has more value, which it appears is does. However without knowing how many VIP points are distributed per dollar raked I have no idea how much value Ronin actually has and will probably just play on Carbon because I know that has really good value.

Please let us know asap so we can plan out where we will play next month.

Thanks!

What he said, please.

It was mentioned that more info would be available late this week. As excited as I am for the possibilities of the new network, I have begun the process of removing funds in anticipation of possibly not knowing or not liking the details of the VIP program, games to be offered, and rake levels. If it comes down to the last week, I will opt to wait out the first month so that I can at least have set plans in place for June.

Please choose not to play the waiting game and announce these things at the last minute.

Shane has posted multiple times in this forum since I posted this which can only lead me to the conclusion that this question is being ignored.

If the answer to this question is "I dont know" then please tell me so.

"I'm sorry I do not know the answer yet but I will do my best to find out within x time period" will buy you the time period you give me within reason. No answer at all will have me committing the $15k I intend to rake (either to ship Last man standing or the 13.6k level in ronin) in June to carbon before the weekend is over.

I'm willing to be patient here and think overall I have been but I will not accept being ignored on such an important issue for people who play for a living.

Thank you in advance for the communication.

LTT, I approve of your last post but only for how completely ridiculous it is. Congrats on your odd threat to deposit your money on carbon. You've taken charge of the situation now!

It hasn't been ignored, nothing has. You don't have to make threats, that would piss me off in shane's shoes. They're running a promo worth 1 million, I don't think they're gonna cry about 15k - all rakeback and promos = couple G's worth of rake. Stop making stupid threats for no reason.

jmo.

I don't see why anything in this thread would be considered a threat. I don't want to speak for LTT, but I simply want to get my June plans finalized soon and am doing Lock the courtesy of a heads-up, letting them know I need more info in order to consider them in my plans.

Expecting the reciprocal courtesy of at least an acknowledgment is not an unreasonable.

Thanks for contributing Bob. Stellar stuff as always.

As the lock guys know, I already have a full roll on Carbon. Before the Lock/Cake deal was even released I put a roll on carbon in an effort to ship the Last Man Standing promotion. I have been playing on both accounts and am still "standing" in the promotion. The goal was to play both for May as the LMS requirements are so light, and then play exclusively on Carbon for June when the requirements become more rigorous. I was continuing with the plan when Ronin came out. At the 13.6k rake level, I would make much more than the 6k first prize for LMS, and be able to stay on my site with my current VIP level. I want to commit to Ronin, but cannot until this very basic information that they undoubtedly have figured out is released. I'm still playing on Carbon every day, and frankly if I'm going to play Ronin I am wasting my time, My leader board equity for my LTT777 account, as well as Rake Race equity. It is frustrating, thus the point of me creating this thread to hopefully expedite an answer, and thus allow me put whatever plan I choose to go with into motion. Beyond the obvious necessity to know where I will be playing in June, if it will be Ronin I need to start studying NOW for the different structure that will be offered at Revolution. If not playing at Revolution, I need to put in a full time grind on Carbon starting Monday to maintain Ether for June because I have raked next to nothing there this month.

As you can now see, it was not a threat, but if you must interpret it to be one, it certainly was not an empty one. Given the situation they are putting myself and some other very high rakers in, I do not think it is ridiculous to request this very basic information and state exactly what I'll be doing if they are unable to give it to me.

Again, I'd like to thank you for your contribution here in this thread. Regardless of how you feel about my situation personally, your post was obviously intended to contribute something constructive, which is great and exactly what a moderator should be doing. Keep it chief.

nothing LTT777 says should be taken to heart, i mean come on- the dude grinds 10bb games all day. That would turn anybody into a lunatic

LTT, if you're going to do all of this solely based on the point details you so desperately crave you are kind of missing the boat. To wit, you have no idea about the volume of games on the new network. You are already committed to LMS. Why not just wait it out and see? I don't get what is so special about this even with all your details you provided. Shane said he would release the details when he could and I'm sure he will. You making a completely new thread just to tell him that you are giving him a deadline when you want the info and to release it now or you will deposit on carbon immediately is childish and stupid.

I'll keep this short and simple. Microbob, get a life!! You have nothing better to do than start arguments on a poker forum? And yet you call others childish. Nice life you lead buddy!

With respect, I don't understand Microbob's concern with this thread. Just misunderstanding a lot of the things posted?

It's perfectly clear from LTT's posts that he:

• is NOT committed to LMS yet,
• that he wants to commit one way or the other and gave specific reasons why he does not want to "wait it out",
• and that he is trying to pin down the variables that can be pinned (VIP points) down in order to make as informed of a decision as possible.

Also, Shane specifically mentioned the details would be out this week.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=137

hubs, Good point. I've changed my mind. Thanks. If Lock doesn't provide all the precise details of their points system by Sunday at midnight I'm going to remove all of my funds from there and deposit them on RPM. Your move, Lock!

I wont be removing my funds from Lock. I never said I would. Regardless of what happens I will be playing there in the future. This is about June. I also won't be depositing on Carbon if they do not give me details, because I already have a full roll there and am playing currently. I never said or implied any of those things.

Again, this information was promised to myself and the rest of the players by now. It is incredibly important information for myself and many other players. After multiple attempts to get this information via various methods of communication (including posting the question in other threads within this forum), I decided I would make one last effort to get it (and ultimately attempt to give my business to revolution for the month of June, which is where I want to play) by creating this thread. I don't think that is unreasonable. I understand you do, but do not understand why a moderator felt the need to voice that opinion in such a negative manner.

Further, I have been contacted by a member of lock support. I was apologized to, and was told that they do not have an answer yet but they are going to work very hard to get that answer in the next couple days. I asked this member of support if they felt my creating this thread was unreasonable in any way as you (Bob) suggested, and they again apologized for my needing to do so and felt it was perfectly reasonable considering how much is riding on this for me and other professional players considering playing on Revolution in June.

Again, thank you Bob for being the very special moderator that you are. Had you not posted here this thread would have only served its purpose of helping concerned Lock customers and nothing else. God forbid a moderator let that happen.

oh no!!!

this thread is awesome. lol hubs

I'm glad you are happy with their apology. It doesn't really help with the planning for your situation though. I hope it works out for you.


To clarify more seriously for a sec just to be safe, I'm not a mod in this forum. I'm just a poster. I mod a couple other forums on 2+2 and am there to help posters for whatever reason. But as a volunteer mod I can still post what I want. So the implication that as a mod I should or shouldn't say something is not really correct.

Wow this got out of hand in a hurry! I havent seen such a quick escalation to chaos since the Anchorman fight scene!

The first important answer is there will no loss of value with our move, the dealt system is throwing a spanner in the works so we are still working out the earn rate on ring games but I can say it wont be a lower value than it currently is.

For tournaments the earn rate will remain at 10 VIP points per $1.

With rakeback/VIP, Ronin and our welcome bonus there will be so much great value on Lock next month.

I also ran the numbers head to head of Ronin and Last man standing to give you a comparison. Obviously it depends on where everyone drops off but the winner of Last man standing who wins $6,000 would have won between $14,442 and $31,642 depending on the day it finishes. And of course they can keep earning with Ronin for the rest of the month as well.

The other important note is what happens if you fall short on Last man standing, if you were gunning for 1st but miss out and finish 3rd your earnings drop to $2,500. If you were in Ronin instead of LMS you would have been paid that amount on the 11th of the month and of course would be still eligible to earn more over the rest of the month.

LOL



This pleases me.

Thank you Shane for the response and also for the good news. I very much appreciate it. I will be putting my volume in at Revolution next month and am excited to do so.

Also there is no need to run the numbers to convince me as I have done so extensively and yes at equal rake levels and vip point distribution Ronin has considerably more value. This is why I desperately wanted to play Revolution (+higher vip +welcome bonus it is truly incredible value) next month. But without knowing if a dollar raked was giong to equal 1 vip point or 10, I was dangerously close to having to commit to Carbon as I needed to put in a mega grind the last week of the month to maintain my Ether status as I have put in way more hours at Lock thus far. Continuing to play on Carbon was going to cost me ~$2k when you combine LB equity lost, Rake Race equity lost, and a lower RB earn.

Anyway, thank you again. I'm am very much looking forward to playing on Revolution and am very relieved I can quit last LMS

Lol wp to both of you

I'm very curious about the earn rate for ring games. I'm a sng player, but would obviously play ring games with the dealt method to compete in the rake race. Any updates on the earn rate yet? Will it be 10 VIP per $1?

Its not as clean as it was because of the move to dealt from contributed rake.

What we have done is change the rate at which you can redeem cash from points so instead of 10% it will be 14% to cash, and we have also restructured Ronin's payouts accordingly http://lockpoker.eu/promos/ronin/

So points are earned at 1 point per $1 raked in any hand you are dealt, and 7 VIP points per $1 in tourney fees.

LOL at the trolls itt. OP had a reasonable question, and for someone planning to committ like 150-200 hours next month in play, I don't think it's that unreasonable for him to get a little anxious, with very little details with a week left.

I'm confused now. Is it 7 points per dollar raked like you just said or 10 per dollar raked like you said earlier?

Its now 7 points per dollar for tournaments coming down to the contributed level for cash games.

We have lowered the requirements for Ronin and increased the % available for cashback to increase the value.