So we are getting about 50% fewer VIP points on Lock compared to the last month on Merge? Makes the Ronin quite a bit worse.

Only if it's a non-rake back account on Cake. Otherwise you need 90 days inactivity, iirc.

They adjusted the Ronin point levels to make it work out the same amount of rake required (for tournaments).

They decided to **** over shorthand and heads up players.

Not sure what this means, but IIRC I was looking to do 4x this month what I did last month. Last month I only did about 4500 points, and remember looking that if I could get to ~16k points that would be close to $1k in the Ronin. It would appear that 16k points still gets you about 1k total in the Ronin but I am accumulating points at half the rate.

Sadly it appears that way. So is playing FR gonna get that many more points? Anyone know how they are calculating points? In another thread someone speculated that it was your rake stat in HEM * average # of players which isn't right for me. Right now it looks like I'm getting about 2.6 points/$ raked at 6 max.

Also how terrible is it that the players really have to work this hard just to figure out how they are awarded VIP points??

However much the table rakes is how many VIP points you get. So HU players will have to rake ~4.5x the amount that a FR player does in order to receive the same amount of points.

The system is beyond retarded and terrible for the games. Why punish players that start tables and try to keep them going? The only explanation us whoever came up with it is either incompentent, plays FR, or has friends that play FR.

I have no clue about the cash game rake/rakeback/etc. For tournaments, it works out to the same amount of rake (fees) paid at each Ronin level.

Here are the Ronin table rows for $942. First is the old Ronin which required 23,500 points, then the new Ronin which requires only 16,450 points. Intentionally, it works out to the same amount of rake (for tournaments).


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dashboard works but what about deposit bonuses?

That is how dealt rakeback works. Last month, you were contributed. Those pushing to keep the dealt rakeback method ARE the full ring nits (I'm a full ring nit, but am happy with Carbon rake back as is, and would want contributed for this site).

However, I'm starting to lean towards intertops. I may put in a request with my other affiliate to tag me for that one. have some questions for that thread, their support seems LOTS better.

That's not how dealt works. Dealt is amount raked at the table / # of players. Lock is using just amount raked at the table as the baseline for VIP distribution. This heavily skews it in favor of full ring players since it doesnt factor in how many players are at the table.


It should be: (amount raked at the table / # of players) * 7.

Tourney players receive 7 VIP points per dollar rakes and it should be the same for cash games. Sorry full ring players but you are making out like a ****ing bandit and it's not remotely fair. This needs to be fixed asap.

Sorry, not accurate calculations on my part. However, I haven't deposited nor played on Lock yet. I think I'm going with Intertops (re all your folks problems). If something drastic changes within the next few days, I will change my mind. But their thread seems a lot more content (I haven't downloaded their software yet, but My affiliate re Carbon offered a change in room, should check to see how that is done).

To preface this I should say I play both FR and 6max.

Quotes like this remind me of when Stars switched their dealt system and 6max players ended up receiving slightly less.

Instead of arguing for more rakeback for themselves, they continually stated they wanted it to be equal, and it didn't matter if that meant solely lowering rakeback for full ring players.

I don't get it.

I've haven't played a SNG in years, but if they started offering 20 VIP points per dollar raked at SNG's, I wouldn't be clamoring for that to be lowered one cent. I would simply ask for cash game rakeback to be increased proportionally.

I'm trying to be realistic. Right now full ring rakeback is close if not over 100% for some players. No way they can proportionally do that across all games. I'm clamoring for it to be level. I'm confident once it is that players will still be getting one of the higher rakeback percentages out there.

Do you really believe there's any chance they would put everyone at 9x multiplier and leave all the bonuses and promos the same?

um, no

rb for FR is the same % as it is for 6max depending on what VIP level you are.

FR gets more points, but that has nothing to do with RB/cashback. (other than the 10% points for cash)

This is just not true because rake is dealt and not contributed. Solid fr regs are paying less rake relative to table rake than solid 6m regs, yet each of the groups gets credit for table rake. As such, fr regs effectively get higher rb%.

Say the FR player averages 8 players per table and rakes 5k according to the dealt method. Under the current system:

35% + 11% points redemption + 48% Ronin = pretty damn close to 100%

That's not even factoring in clearing deposit bonuses faster and the ability to reach vip levels a lot easier.


Now say a SH/6 max player that averages 4 players per table rakes 5k according to dealth method.

35% + 6% points redemption + 25% Ronin = 66%



So explain to me how the bolded is not correct?