...... wtf, wow.

And exactly how is this collusion may I ask? Obviously if they happen to be sharing hands and whatnot while playing the same tables it qualifies.

You're implying that just because a group of poker players are together in a chat room, they're going to be colluding. Last I checked, it wasn't a crime for people to work on their game by sharing ideas/thoughts.

dud, obv i reported them, obv they looked into it, and found that they were colluding based on proof in games

IS THIS REALLY THAT TOUGH TO FIGURE OUT.

DO I HAVE TO SPELL EVERYTHING OUT FOR U

THE POINT IM MAKING BECAUSE OF CHAT, THEY WERE CAUGHT

The saying is, "I couldn't care less."

time bank is fine unless someone repeatedly abuses it, people who multi table need a time bank

having chat in don's aids collusion, like previously stated, and often from ppl who don't even know it's against the rules, no need for chat

OP, your thread title doesn't make sense to me, you argue that you gain info from chatting but you want to remove the timebank. How are you supposed to have time to gain your supposed info through chat without a timebank? None of your posts in this thread have been logical so I don't expect you to get this either. Maybe you should take some time off from posting and take a class on logic. Pretty simple stuff.

Exactly what i mean - Americans often seem to say "I could care less" when they mean to say they DON'T care about something. (wrongfully so)

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

i 10 table with no need of a time bank, and can easily keep track of table and have time to take notes.

really isn't tough

If you really think about most sayings, they will seem pretty stupid. As far as saying the wrong thing in the first place, A lot of people are just too dumb to remember the proper saying.. Such lack of intelligence isn't confined to any one country, sadly.

Whoa. Calm down sparky!! You are not helping convince anyone. In fact, I think anyone who might have been on the fence on this issue would be persuaded the other way with posts like that.


To a couple other points...Shane has not put me in my place at all. Weird thing to say. Their support is still struggling...obviously. and their cheat and collusion detection certainly can't handle being overloaded with even more complaints of guys inadvertently colliding in chat and breaking rules about teaming up against the shortstack in the chat itself as opposed to the unspoken way which is allowable if not a preplanned agreement, etc.

No idea how you could play so many tourneys and never seen chat like that. I've played a fair amount but not nearly as much as you and I've seen it quite a bit. Used to be really really common back in 2005 and stuff. All those noob players who had no idea that it was wrong to tell everyone at the table "let's all go all in when shortstack does. We all win once he's out. Yay!" I have no idea how many times I had personally seen something that or similar inappropriate chat but it has to be more than 10.

Believe such problems in tourney chat were talked about on here back in the day and eventually leading to sites blocking chat at bubbles and in some tourneys and satellites etc. I remember when I first encounter stars blocking chat in satellites near the bubble and my immediate reaction was "Finally. Hallelujah."

I had one satellite on stars where two tables were kind of ganging up against me because I was the shortstack. Two tables of 7 and 6 players left and top 12 got the seat or something so one table was chatting about the short stack on the other table and trying to slow it down and keep each other alive while updating on my stack. They came over to my table to and encouraged them to all wait until blinds hit me so they would all win.

I had a helluva hard time convincing party that this was collusion and that the players were wrong. Had to post about it on here. Took forever. Sometimes they just don't understand.

Anyway, it is super obvious why any site would not want to allow chat in such tourneys. You apparently disagree with that logic. no biggie. But don't act like it makes no sense at all because it actually kind of does from at least some perspectives. which us why so many sites have such chat blocks in so many situations now.

I'm fine, but the other guys is just a frekin idiot.

i dont disagree that years ago, there may have been issues, but I do want to remind u, i have done this for a long time, again 60,000 sngs on FT, mostly 45 man and 90 man sngs, and prob close to 10,000 on lock, merge. I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR THATS WHY THE CAPS. In the past year and a half, about 10,000 sngs, I HAVE NOT ONCE SEEN ANY TYPE OF TEAMING UP ON CHAT NEAR THE BUBBLE. I normally play about 10 tables at once, and can easily pay attention, and again i have picked up numerous tells on players from their chat. It really isn't that tough to do. We can all bring up some instances in the past and how things were back in the old days, but Im going over the past year and a half when chat was allowed on LOCK. btw i am playing the 5s and 10s on this site now. With the margin for error so low in DONS, any advantage a player can get is huge, and since i was able to use chat to gain advantages, to me theres no reason not to continue having it here.

Chat on lock, merge was never a problem, so why should we assume it well be now, again this is the year 2012, not 2005 and most players have a somewhat better education of the rules.

Ill find the link to the forum that Shane put u in your place, its there i just need to find it.

I also posted on someones thread, what I felt about all the complaining that to me, is really quite minor. If i find it, i well pm those to u.

Sometimes u need to look at the entire picture, and not the closed one this forum seems to represent. If this site was struggling so bad, players would be leaving when in fact this site is now growing nicely.

I had reported several hands in which I was colluded against on Lock/Revo and just received a random $50 in my account. I believe that this is a refund for the collusion I experienced, but I have not received an e-mail yet. Lock's support/fraud team is actively following up on complaints fwiw.

I like the idea of having chat up until the bubble that way the rec players can atleast enjoy a friendly game to start with. Not having chat on the bubble will just keep the fish from colluding as MicroBob stated above, but will have no affect on the "real" colluders.

I am a member of a skype discussion/don group and we play in the same games against each other all of the time. Conversely to suppers disposition that all groups cheat we make each others lives hell. I can't tell you how many times I've been called by 23o by one of the group members just cause he could. If you understand anything about dons you'd realize that by doing so we're actually benefiting the whole table because its -$ev to ever be all in in a don. Basically in my defense being in this don group has actually cost me $ev in spots where it should have not. Hopefully the strat I've learned will offset that...

see what I like from Dr0n3, though i may not agree with him, is that his perspective is coming from someone who has played and currently plays a lot, so because of this I respect his opinion.

When u get players like him and i involved in these forums, players who actually play, and i do mean play a lot we can offer the site many ways to improve for everyone.

how about chat til there are 7 players left....like it was on stars

i got your back suppers

Ok, so they ban CHAT believing that it stops collusion and all sorts of bad behavior, yet give clowns way too much extra time to chat somewhere else with the players?? If you need more than 10 seconds to play your hand, then you have other problems that extra time won't help.

My beef is that the hand history shows your hand if you played it all through and then mucked to the winner!! I mucked it for a reason, but it doesn't matter -- ALL IN THE NAME OF STOPPING COLLUSION???? HOW PARANOID HAVE THEY BECOME? PRO'S DON'T SHOW MUCKED CARDS - WHAT GIVES LOCK THE RIGHT TO SHOW MINE????

TAKE IT OUT PLEASE NOW!!!!!!!!