G911 doesn't do affiliate deals and if we truly felt Lock was in any type of financial or legal trouble we would replace them in a heartbeat as we have with other sponsors in the past. That's simply not the case with Lock.

I've already hinted a few times in various posts that Lock to some extent got blacklisted from processors for ensuring their players got paid lightning fast, which they were over a year ago. Other operators complained that they were pushing payouts through too quickly. These guys are all mostly using the same processors. But alas the processors are now coming out of the woodwork and Lock is working hard to get new one's on board that they can trust. This isn't rocket science. They haven't stopped paying people and those who have been unhappy with the slow payouts should just stop playing there. Most won't though. They like the software.

I'll be heading down to Costa Rica in a few weeks to get an update on the industry payment processing situation. But other operators have told me the situation is improving and that should surely benefit Lock.

Exactly! What other site gives what Lock gives?

Over time they will resolve these issues. But right now the focus is all about increasing payment processors, as Shane has discussed previously.

It seems like there is some improvement. Obviously everyone would like to see more.

Trollers are gonna troll, but until things improve I wouldn't expect anything different. At the moment cash out times are pathetic as an American player your lucky to get 6-9k off a year. They have been saying changes were coming for months, we just have to see it on our end. Now I'm trading players, and not even getting .5 on the dollar for acr and for money, well really getting .3.. on the dollar, but I don't see much point in just having a ton of money in my account I can't get off.

why is it that lock and juicy have these problems 6-7 month withdraw times, you think while your down there you can ask other operators that question. Maybe it is true that poor lock is a victim of some rogue money laundering scheme that these bad old p2p did it. But then again they must never had a way to pay players in a reasonable time frame. PLEASE tell us a story about the processor fairy CHRIS , about how lock will find one and players will get paid faster than 6 months. g911 fairy tale reporting at its best everyone lives happily ever after. The bad part is people wake up and there money is still not arrived. Chris is it true if I leave my lock cash out request under my pillow it will be paid faster.

On the subject of getting payment processors inline, how much more time do think we need to give Lock Chris? You realize that they have been telling us for months that things are gonna change, what? when? how? Then you fast forward months later and we are in the same predicament. It's easier saying on your end, when you don't have money, on here and there is nothing you can do to get it off for its real value, in real time, without taking some ludicrous hit like .25-.3 on the dollar.

- Should we be worried about Intertops, the Winning Network and Bovada's ability to continue to pay people? Because they have been paying people "lightning fast" for years (Bovada is a small exception, but they've been consistent for awhile now).

When Lock has a good month of a few good payouts, they get punished for paying out fast, but when these other networks pay fast for years straight, they are just forgiven by processors? Something doesn't really add up with that explanation.

- Revolution's software isn't far and above, it's not even consistently ranked #1 in the USA. There were some huge issues last year with bugs and crashing software. I don't see those complaints anymore (I suppose you'd say the software crashes were due to the site's grand success, and the bugs were just some minor stuff that got cleaned up), but it's not like this is the top USA software and people are flocking to it.

A lot of people don't know about the cashout issues, and a lot of people you send there will lose their deposit before they can even experience the cashout issues. But we have seen some players totally unaware, going to cashout small amounts and having to wait a long time.

Other than Merge, who is still paying ROW players in a timely manner, what US facing sites are having issues? Sites larger (Bovada), smaller (Intertops), and similar size (Winning Network) are paying both USA and non USA players with fast speeds.

And how on earth could Lock processing ROW at "lightning fast speeds" cause processors to dump them? Again, every USA facing site is paying ROW guys fast.

Your explanations just don't really add up. There's always partial truth, mixed with "as an insider," but what it looks like to everyone else is that Lock is just trying to pump fresh fish deposits into the site and hope that's enough.

FWIW, I'm in the camp of "Lederer knew about the hole, it was far too much to overcome, it was shady to accept deposits without informing players after Black Friday." Maybe you're in the "if everyone pretends it's ok, mistakes can be fixed and it'll all end up ok" camp. If that's the case, I can see why you might try to soften every damaging part about Lock and stay optimistic, but I can't see how you don't see that this situation is a major problem in every single way. Even some of the bigger affiliates that don't normally comment on this stuff have removed Lock or put little warnings about Lock on their site (PokerListings, for example).

Nine more months at least. Just being honest. These are tough times for US-facing online poker rooms like Lock and Carbon.

And as far as what Lock gives, the market gives a nice illustration to that.

Lock gives you funds for your deposit that are worth 25-40 cents on the dollar. Other sites give funds for your deposit that are worth 90 cents or more usually.

Fawning over rakeback or promos when money is worth 25-40 cents (the value based on how long it takes to cashout) is sort of like taking 50% rakeback on a site that rakes 3x as high as one that offers 25% rakeback, it's very short sighted or manipulative, depending on whether you're naive or malicious.

You can't lump Carbon in with Lock. There you go again. Carbon pays ROW players in a timely manner. Lock is having some guys wait 4 months!

If Lock were paying ROW faster, I don't think you'd see the same outrage you're seeing now.

Carbon is as close to Intertops as they are Lock on payout times.

Bodog was getting slammed for slow payouts entering last summer.

Bodog has been around a lot longer and they are much better at the processing game.

You may recall they were bouncing checks left and right after one of their processor went bust last year.

it's great to see they have gotten things back to normal over the past 10 months or so.

I'm happy for Bovada and ACR for sure but nobody should get overly confident with the climate what it is today.

Before last June, Lock was the best on the block where payouts were concerned.

Lock was much better than they are now (though even Carbon is), but the best argument you can make is that they were as good as the best rooms were at paying out, and only for short periods of time.

If you look at Lock's payouts over any 1 year period, they were never the best, nor tied with the best.

Lock was much better 16+ months ago, but they still had issues like bounced checks, WU processors going down, maximums being dropped, and delays happening plenty often on Merge when Lock switched between using their own casino processors and pushing flow onto Merge's processing, depending on the speed.

If you look at their cashout threads historically, you can see evidence of this stuff.

The public cashout reports from PAS only really tracked Lock in April-May 2012 and beyond, but they never had them as high as Intertops or Winning Network.

You're throwing around words too loosely. "Best on the block" is less accurate than "better than now" or "very good at times."

That said, if Lock returned to those days, they would have far less problems in this forum and nobody would really give you crap for promoting or defending them.

No, I assumed that,since Lock paid for these forums and opened them in the first place, they had the ability to simply close them.
What is the reason Lock would be denied the privilege of having the section closed?

Because once people post about questions and issues, the forum belongs to the users, not Lock. Wiping all of that out would be hugely detrimental to the users.

They can ask to have this forum removed, and 2p2 can say no. They have no more say over the content of the forum than any other poster does once they can no longer edit/remove something they've created.