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Old 11-27-2012, 03:16 PM   #16
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

Hey Liars,

I think your comments and suggestions were spot on. Thank you for your contribution, let's get back on track here and get people who have been affected to post in here their dates and statuses.

Obviously something went wrong with the WU cashout requests made mid-late october and hopefully this thread can bring about some action by LOCK to do something about it, rather than telling us that they are waiting for WU to give them our MTCNs, which we know isn't true.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:32 PM   #17
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Hey Liars,
let's get back on track here and get people who have been affected to post in here their dates and statuses.
Agreed, I will refrain from anything further that doesn't help the point of this thread.

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Just wanted to let everyone here know I have passed this thread over to management to see what I can find out for you.
Shane, I find the following quote (from the WU thread) interesting and I would like to know if you can shed some light on this?
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was another processor that stole funds en route from site to player.
If it is something you're not at liberty to address, please explicitly state it here. I understand completely you're just the messenger and that that stinky stuff rolls downhill, but the above quote does seem like a strong possibility. Seeing as how this was common place pre-BF with other sites (looking at you FTP) and given the apprehension of payment processors willing to get their hands dirty, the chances of Lock being scammed here are huge. When you factor in the increasing demand of withdraw requests it seems only logical Lock may have had to use more than one payment processor for WU payments.

If it is a payment processor issue, and Lock were transparent about it, I find it hard to believe that players would be less supportive than they are right now and if handled properly it could be a win/win situation for everyone.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:16 PM   #18
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

Spot on again, LiarsDice!

A possible explanation is that a 3rd party payment processor made off with our funds or had the funds confiscated via an investigation.

I received a PM from Shane and I'd like to clear up a misconception he has regarding my posts.

Shane said, "Im very limited what finer details I can talk about publicly but I did want to clear up one misconception from your posts.

You assume in your post that we give the money to WU and it comes straight to you then from WU. But this forgets the fact that we cant deal directly with WU. So our cashouts go through a processor and then to WU, then back to the processor and then onto us.

We would love to have a cashout solution that cut out the middle man as it would give us much better control over cashouts, but in the current environment this isnt possible and so we have to deal with 3rd party processors, which can give us unwanted delays in processing."

It seems to me, from what I've read on here, that people understand the process. A lot of us has been dealing with the process for many years across multiple poker sites.

It's email from LOCK staff like the one I received below, that show LOCK staff do not understand the process or are covering something up. They keep telling us that they (LOCK) are waiting for Western Union to provide them (LOCK) with our MTCN, but by Shane's own admission and all of our basic understanding, LOCK doesn't deal with WU directly, so that's impossible.


LOCK email:
"Hi,

I see that we are just waiting for WU to provide us with your Control #. It should not be much longer for your full pickup information to be available.

Our apologies for the delay and thank you for your patience.

All my best,

Quinn

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So, the truth is either that the 3rd party payment processor used for most of us in mid-late october has not paid WU yet, hence why they (3rd PPP) haven't provided an MTCN to LOCK yet or the 3rd PPP used for us is backlogged, paid WU and has the MTCN, but haven't given it to LOCK yet.

Or, the 3rd PPP paid WU, gave MTCN to LOCK and LOCK is backlogged and hasn;t released the info yet.

Or, something more sinister like mentioned above, that the 3rd PPP has either intentionally taken off with the money or have had it confiscated by the DOJ, as in so many cases with FTP, STARS and UB in the past.

Either way, it's LOCK's job and their responsibility to make good on their player withdrawals, even if LOCK was burned by the 3rd PPP. At the very least let us know what's going on, as truthfully as possible and actually do something to rectify the situation.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:17 PM   #19
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Agreed, I will refrain from anything further that doesn't help the point of this thread.



Shane, I find the following quote (from the WU thread) interesting and I would like to know if you can shed some light on this?


If it is something you're not at liberty to address, please explicitly state it here. I understand completely you're just the messenger and that that stinky stuff rolls downhill, but the above quote does seem like a strong possibility. Seeing as how this was common place pre-BF with other sites (looking at you FTP) and given the apprehension of payment processors willing to get their hands dirty, the chances of Lock being scammed here are huge. When you factor in the increasing demand of withdraw requests it seems only logical Lock may have had to use more than one payment processor for WU payments.

If it is a payment processor issue, and Lock were transparent about it, I find it hard to believe that players would be less supportive than they are right now and if handled properly it could be a win/win situation for everyone.
Poker rooms have never talked about the details of processing, and we will never ever discuss these things publicly.

I can state what has been previously mentioned in this thread that no single player has ever not received their cashouts. While there are some unforseen delays on occasion every single player gets their funds.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:33 PM   #20
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Poker rooms have never talked about the details of processing, and we will never ever discuss these things publicly.

I can state what has been previously mentioned in this thread that no single player has ever not received their cashouts. While there are some unforseen delays on occasion every single player gets their funds.
Fair enough Shane, I understand that some details can't and shouldn't be discussed publicly.

But the way this is being handled by LOCK staff, by either sending us emails with false information or ignoring us all together is causing some of us to make our issue public.

I have had poker sites in the past email me that they had an issue with a 3rd PPP and that they are working to get my withdrawal to another 3rd PPP. No details given and it wasn't public, but it reassured me that the site had some integrity and actually cared about rectifying the situation.

I deal with customers all day every day and I can't imagine not assuring them that I am taking care of their situation and what I intend to do to resolve their issue, let alone ignore them for days on end. It's bad business, period.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:53 PM   #21
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Fair enough Shane, I understand that some details can't and shouldn't be discussed publicly.

But the way this is being handled by LOCK staff, by either sending us emails with false information or ignoring us all together is causing some of us to make our issue public.

I have had poker sites in the past email me that they had an issue with a 3rd PPP and that they are working to get my withdrawal to another 3rd PPP. No details given and it wasn't public, but it reassured me that the site had some integrity and actually cared about rectifying the situation.

I deal with customers all day every day and I can't imagine not assuring them that I am taking care of their situation and what I intend to do to resolve their issue, let alone ignore them for days on end. It's bad business, period.
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Poker rooms have never talked about the details of processing, and we will never ever discuss these things publicly.

I can state what has been previously mentioned in this thread that no single player has ever not received their cashouts. While there are some unforseen delays on occasion every single player gets their funds.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:13 PM   #22
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Shane coming in here weeks after people have continuously been blown off by LOCK reps in emails is not a business assuring me of anything.

Some of us have a legitimate complaint and just want some resolution.

I'd like to point out that at one point, after several more years than LOCK of doing so, FTP also had paid everyone out. Then at some point that changed and a lot of people weren't paid out.

As LiarsDice originally suggested, here are just a few of the posts where people claimed to receive their money before us that requested it after or near us. This may seem petty to some of you, but to those of us who had money held up on FTP for over a year and then FTP told us to contact the Feds to get our funds back, the issue is a little unsettling at best.

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Requested: 10/28
MTCN: 11/23

25 days is above EV, shipppppppp.
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Requested : 10/27
MTCN : 11/24
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Requested 11/5 got the MTCN 11/25
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Requested 10/26
Accepted 11/14
MTCN 11/23

Received an e-mail this time notifying of payout completetion. Sent e-mails after 2 weeks and after 5 days of accepted status.

Not as quick as my first but I also have requested 2 more since 11/14. The 11/14 transaction has already been accepted in the cashier and waiting on the MTCN since 11/19.
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MTCN 11/25.
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Requested: 11/3
Approved: 11/15
Sender Info: 11/15
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Requested: 11/20
MTCN Received: 11/25

Totally was not expecting that. Money sent from a new country this time, maybe things are looking up.
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I requested 11/1 and received CIH today.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:49 PM   #23
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

Well at least people are getting paid, sucks for you october guys though :/
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #24
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

NOV 24, 2012 | 05:52PM EST
Hi,
I see your payout is pending and your full pickup information will display in the history section of your cashier this coming week. Thank you for your patience .
All my best,

Quinn
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Nov 28th and still no word!!!!
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:27 PM   #25
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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NOV 24, 2012 | 05:52PM EST
Hi,
I see your payout is pending and your full pickup information will display in the history section of your cashier this coming week. Thank you for your patience .
All my best,

Quinn
CSR, Lock Support


Nov 28th and still no word!!!!
A week consists of 7 days, usually starting on a Sunday and ending on a Saturday. I assume you know this, so why are you cluttering up this thread when it's only Wednesday? People come to these threads trying to find helpful info. and it makes it much more difficult to do that with pointless whining and complaining.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:39 PM   #26
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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A week consists of 7 days, usually starting on a Sunday and ending on a Saturday. I assume you know this, so why are you cluttering up this thread when it's only Wednesday? People come to these threads trying to find helpful info. and it makes it much more difficult to do that with pointless whining and complaining.
There are 2 lies being perpetuated by LOCK staff in emails to us that were unfortunate enough to request WU withdrawals in mid-late october.

1. LOCK is waiting for Western Union to send them MTCNs.

2. Due to a recent influx of cashout requests, LOCK is back-logged.

Neither one of these is true, because...

1. LOCK does not deal directly with WU.

2. People who requested in early-mid November already have cash in hand.

I for one will never again give my business to LOCK who have repeatedly lied to me and others.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:13 PM   #27
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

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Originally Posted by poguemahone1 View Post
There are 2 lies being perpetuated by LOCK staff in emails to us that were unfortunate enough to request WU withdrawals in mid-late october.

1. LOCK is waiting for Western Union to send them MTCNs.

2. Due to a recent influx of cashout requests, LOCK is back-logged.

Neither one of these is true, because...

1. LOCK does not deal directly with WU.

2. People who requested in early-mid November already have cash in hand.

I for one will never again give my business to LOCK who have repeatedly lied to me and others.
Not really sure what this has to do with my reply but I do agree with you. Honesty is not a hard thing to communicate and lock is really poor when it comes to customer support. They would be better off if they just changed their cash out times to state WU 4-6 weeks and checks 8-10 weeks. Not only are those times more accurate, but it SHOULD cut down on the complaints we see in these threads.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:12 PM   #28
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

Requested: October 13
declined resubmitted pending: november 7

emailed shane for help november 20th
November 28 still pending no sender info no mctn
waiting on a response from shane


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Old 11-29-2012, 05:12 AM   #29
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

Quinn
NOV 27, 2012 | 04:39PM EST
HI,

I see that we are just waiting on WU to provide us with your MTCN which should not be much longer. Please keep an eye out for this in the History section of your Cashier shortly. In the mean time we have also credited your account with a $15 bonus for the inconvenience.

Thank you again for all your patience.
All my best,

Quinn

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Lock Support
NOV 27, 2012 | 01:47AM EST
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your email. I have forwarded your email to our Cashier department who will be in contact. However I would ask you to bear in mind that due to the nature of the inquiries they deal with our Cashier departmentís response may not be as quick as our front line support. Thanks in advance for your patience.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind Regards,
Crista
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Chris
NOV 27, 2012 | 01:38AM EST
42 days for my money this is a bit rediculous i was told 7-10 days 10 days ago. people who requested in november have their money already. i am the current most days waiting for my money. i have been with you for a year now and loyal and i expected more out of your site dispite what others say. please resolve this im very dissapointed in you all when i have nothing but praised your site.



________________________________
From: Lock Poker Support <support@lockpoker.com>
To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: support@lockpoker.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: Re:
Lock Support
NOV 22, 2012 | 04:53PM EST
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your email. We are not able to guarantee an exact time. The MTCN will be posted very soon.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind Regards

Chloe
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Chris
NOV 22, 2012 | 04:43PM EST
would there be any possibility of me getting my money today ?




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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: support@lockpoker.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 2:20 AM
Subject: Re:
Lock Support
NOV 22, 2012 | 02:20AM EST
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your email.

You're very welcome. Have a great day!

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
Kind Regards,
Billy
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Chris
NOV 22, 2012 | 02:01AM EST
Thank you Jake for answering with detailed answers it's very much appreciated. I understand delays happen and you all will try your best to get things done. Hopefully we all will have better luck in the future. Please keep me updated sir if anything else goes wrong I will completely understand

Thank you very much
Christopher S. Lee




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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: support@lockpoker.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re:
Lock Support
NOV 16, 2012 | 02:31PM EST
Hello,

Thank you for your email. Please be informed that your cash out is currently processing and you will receive an email with the confirmation that your funds have been transferred shortly.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind regards,

Mark
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Chris
NOV 16, 2012 | 02:16PM EST
why do i have to wait another 7-10 business days, and noone informed me in my conformation email that i had to wait another 7-10 days. I just dont understand why it has taken so long for my request pending i was told it would take 2-3 weeks and 4-6. Im sorry to bother you and take my frustrations out on you i just need my money.



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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: support@lockpoker.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re:
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NOV 16, 2012 | 02:09PM EST
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your email.

The issue was that there was a delay on the processor your request was submitted to. When it came clear that the resultant delay would be unacceptable we cancelled your request and resubmitted it through another processor that did not experience a delay. You can see your pending request in your Cashier under the History tab marked as the 14th of November. It is from this date that we ask you to await 7 - 10 business days.

Your patience to date has been greatly appreciated Christopher. We will have a resolution for you shortly.

Kind regards,

Jake
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Chris
NOV 16, 2012 | 02:00PM EST
It has now been a month since i with drawled my money and i would really like to know whats going on. I see that all i need is my control number so if you could please let me
know today what is going on id really appricate it Ive sent multiple
emails to you guys and called multiple times and never have gotten a
phone call back. So if you could please let me know asap id really
really appreciate it.

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From: Lock Poker Support <support@lockpoker.com>
To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: support@lockpoker.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:25 PM
Subject: Re:
Lock Support
NOV 07, 2012 | 02:25PM EST
Hello Chris,

Thank you for your email.

It was necessary to return the funds so that they could be resubmitted through a faster processor. Please leave the funds as is and they will be resubmitted shortly.

If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Jake
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Chris
NOV 07, 2012 | 02:02PM EST
Also jake my account doesnt have my middle initial i hope this will not be a problem when i go into western union unless u provided the middle initial also.





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From: Lock Poker Support <support@lockpoker.com>
To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re:
Chris
NOV 07, 2012 | 01:59PM EST
Jake why is there 1605 in my account if you sent it via different processor i'm very confused would u be able to provide more info on this place thank you.





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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re:
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NOV 07, 2012 | 01:52PM EST
Hello Chris,

Thank you for your email.

The payout was declined and resubmitted via a faster processor, sorry for any confusion caused.

I see that we are just waiting for Western Union to provide us with your MTCN. This should be available within 5-7 business days. Once available, it will be posted in the History section of your Cashier, https://cashier.lockpoker.eu/history

Also we did not charge a fee for this Western Union payout. Please go to the History section of your Cashier to confirm and note that the Fee column is $0.00, https://cashier.lockpoker.eu/history

If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Jake
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Chris
NOV 07, 2012 | 01:43PM EST
Original message
why was my money declined ?


Daniel
NOV 14, 2012 | 08:28AM EST
Hi,

There was a delay with this particular batch of Western Union Payouts, however our processor is working through it.

The MTCN should be available within 5-7 business days. Once available, it will be posted in the History section of your Cashier, https://cashier.lockpoker.eu/history

Please let us know if you require any additional details or can assist further.

We appreciate your patience at this busy time.
All our best,

Daniel

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Chris
NOV 14, 2012 | 07:18AM EST
What i mean is when can i expect this to happen? today hopefully? very soon usually means today correct? and how many days has it been since my funds were submitted and waiting on MTCN?

sincerely,

chris




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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: cashier@lockcasino.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: christopher S. Lee
Chris
NOV 14, 2012 | 06:35AM EST
when will this be available




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To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Cc: cashier@lockcasino.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: christopher S. Lee
Mary
NOV 14, 2012 | 06:20AM EST
Hello,

I see that we are just waiting for Western Union to provide us with your MTCN, the Senders Name and the Senders Address. This should be available very soon. Once available, it will be posted in the History section of your Cashier, https://cashier.lockpoker.eu/history

We appreciate your patience and have a good day.
Many thanks,

Mary

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Chris
NOV 14, 2012 | 05:24AM EST
this hasnt happened yet is everything fine daniel?



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From: Cashier Support <cashier@lockcasino.com>
To: areyoumadnerd@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: christopher S. Lee
Daniel
NOV 09, 2012 | 02:13PM EST
Hello,

Apologies for the delay and any confusion caused.

Your Name has been updated to include your Middle Name initial.

Your $1445.22 + $144.52 payout was cancelled, and the full amount will be transferred to Poker. The payout will then be resubmitted via our expedited Poker Cashier MINUS the 10% fee which is much faster. Expect this to happen in the next 24 hours.

Once submitted there is a small wait for Western Union to provide us with your MTCN. This should be available within 5-7 business days. Once available, it will be posted in the History section of your Cashier, https://cashier.lockpoker.eu/history

Please let us know if you require any additional details or can assist further.

We appreciate your patience at this busy time.
All our best,

Daniel

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Lock Support
NOV 09, 2012 | 02:05AM EST
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your email.

I have forwarded your email to our Cashier department who will be in contact. However I would ask you to bear in mind that due to the nature of the inquiries they deal with our Cashier departmentís response may not be as quick as our front line support. Thanks in advance for your patience.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind Regards,

Jonas
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Chris
NOV 09, 2012 | 01:49AM EST
Original message
Hi my withdrawal was declined via western union. what is going on with this? Also, my middle initial in my name is not included and I hope this will not be a problem for western union. My name is Christopher S. Lee. Please provide detailed answers and answer all parts of my questions and comments. Thank you very much







heres all your proof
requested 10-16
decline 11-7
approved 11-14 (my birthday)
still pending as of now
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:17 AM   #30
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Re: Lock poker mid-late oct. WU backlog post

i understand the with drawal process and some of those emails were from my girlfriend but 44 days is rediculous sorry for the long post but it was to show the answers i have been getting and false hope. its been a rediculous cashout and previously when i went to cashout i read others cashout times and saw an average of 17- 21 days max and that was my original thinking. if u took my cashout time i could make 18000 ayear im glad this isnt my living anymore. i hope we all have better luck next time? who knows
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