This is what I don't understand.

I will say that if a person was able to file a lawsuit and win in Curacao it would do nothing. I'm not bad mouthing Curacao as a nation, but it doesn't have any power.

I'm sure it's a nice place, but any gaming company that has a licence there has been usually been untrustworthy in my experience, not all but enough.

I blame myself for thinking that Lock Poker had a licence. They used to have the Malta Licence, I only realized recently that it was Curacao.

-> So you understood what I wrote, but you have a different meaning.

If you know what it´ll do when a person was able to file a lawsuit and win in Curacao, congrats!

-> I dont know, because this does not happen until yet.

A gaming license and the law of Curacao that is valid for "everyone" are two different things.

Despite from this point, for me its interesting to know if Lock is allowed to use player founds for business or if they have to segregate it. And the only way I see to get this information is to ask a lawyer in Curacao or Netherlands.

Surprised,
I live in Gibraltar which is UK overseas territory and also has an offshore status and many online gaming sites have their (real) offices here but under different regulation and conditions than Curacao.

However, setting up an Offshore company in Gibraltar is very similar to other offshore countries and please believe me when I tell you that you have no idea how these things work.

I really don't mean to be rude and I could write about 1200 words right now explaining how setting up an offshore gaming company works, how you apply for your licence, the reviewing process, company registration and so on.

The very best players could get to with a legal class action "in Curacao" would be that the licence currently displayed would be revoked.. in something like 1-2 years till the whole case is over. And this is just taking class action against the Cipaco shell on the island which to 95% only has a mailbox at the law firm who registered them and handles their fees and other stuff.

Those law firms, which you can also find in Gibraltar, register your company for you for a fee, provide you with a local address (usually in their building) and handle all legal affairs, fees and other stuff for you. So basically "there is no Cipaco" in Curacao and I'm 95% sure of that.

Now if you look at the Cipaco website you'll see that the domain is parked so that "company" who is displayed on Lock's licence doesn't even have a website. As we already found out earlier the Cipaco domain though is owned by JDB Services NV and again ( like mentioned above) JDB owns the domain lockpoker.com and is (one of) their payment processor(s) same as conrifil.com who is also owned by... JDB.

So we're now at a point where you would actually want to find out more about JDB in order to take legal action against Lock not just have their licence revoked.

And now the cat and mouse game begins. JDB Services NV and lock show in their domain look-up Cyprus as their business address but then again looking up some business directories that JDB also has an address in Holland. However any trace you take always shows Willemstad as City. Forgot France.. shows up too lol.

So after taking your "class action" against Cipco NV you're now chasing the rats tail to actually trace down the money.

Scenario two:
You get your complaint through, CIGA requests an account audit with "Cipco" and all of a sudden Jen shows you segregated player funds but tied up in Cyprus and we all look stupid which wouldn't be our fault but still....

Scneario three:
You get your complaint through, CIGA requests an account audit with "Cipco", turns out there is no Cipco, licence revoked and you still don't get your money cause Cipco never had any.

Edit:
Quote Don:
I believe that was the licence they had under Merge and you're right about Curacao.. BetSharks ring a bell?

Good story! Now here's what really happens. CIGA ignores a request for an audit for a few months. Finally, they decide that, "it may be a good idea" to request and audit and try.

Lock Poker doesn't reply to the request for an audit, then someone at Lock decides "hey think we should reply to CIGA." Lock Poker sends CIGA saying, "F%$% Off" and fires the person who requested that they reply.

Just seen your post buddy all I know is that new UK Law requires that all gambling operators anywhere in the world are to have a licence to accept wagers in the UK.

Look at this and make up your own mind

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...K-licence.html

However, everything in this thread is just when and ifs. For now it still would have to be proven that Lock is in fact broke. No matter what the players think or know.

I have a very well idea how it works to create a offshore company but not specially in Curacao. You need an address what the law firm gives you and you need a manager and or other employees depending how the law is in that country, what the law firm gives you as well.

The manager(s) is responsible what Cipaco N.V. is doing, if they do criminal things you can go to police and or court. The law firm usually knows the identity of the shareholder(s) but its possible to send wrong documents cause they dont proof it(in Panama). But Neteller and Skrill proof very well and demand different documents.

If Cipaco N.V. brakes the law in Curacao when they dont give you quick enough your money and or misuse your founds, you have the right to go to police and or court.

-> A sharholder company does not protect you from criminal activities if your identity is known by the law firm or Neteller, Skrill, etc....

Like I said. Cipaco is most likely a JDB shell and doesn't even have a skrill account.

My point is that if you or anybody else wanted to take legal action in Curacao to have Lock shut down...

A It will take forever cause first you have to go through Cyberluck and CIGA to request that Lock complies to the points bolted in your "CIGA code of conduct". If they fail to comply "maybe" a criminal case is opened, the court case is heard, ruled and closed and the licence revoked. 1-2 years min depending on how good Lock's lawyers are to stretch it.

B Even if you get the lockpoker."com" licence of Cipaco revoked you still won't see any money cause that money is "maybe" with JDB who is not liable for Cipaco (on paper).

But I might just be totally wrong so please let us know if you receive any reply from CIGA in case you contact them.

I dont have any intension to shut down Lock Poker. I want to get the withdrawal issues solved and a court or police action in Willemstad will probably help.

I dont have to go to Cyberluck or CIGA(Lock Poker is not a member).
If Lock Poker = Cipaco N.V. is breaking the law of Curacao cause of sending the money they owe me too late and or misuse player founds, I can directly go to the police/court in Willemstad.

AGAIN, my responsible business partner is Cipaco N.V., not Cyberluck, not CIGA, not JDB, etc.

The Curacao egaming license is not interesting for me. I have interest if the company Cipaco N.V.(my contract partner) is breaking the law of Curacao, in the way to embezzle my money, misuse my money, etc. and bring them to justice and if it´s possible to get the money they owe me.

Well.. like I said before then go after the shell. There is no money to claim from Cipaco.

How do you know where are the player founds???

AGAIN: Cipaco N.V. is my contract partner, they owe me the money and have to give it to me, not Cyberluck, not CIGA, not JDB, etc..

-> I have no contract with Cyberluck, CIGA, JDB, etc.

Then there is no money for you to be gained in Curacao simple as that.

Is my question "How do you know where are the player founds" too difficult to answer for you?

Despite from the point where the player founds are, the Justice for my business partner Cipaco N.V. is in Willemstad.

I wonder why you trying to cut an argument with me when your problem lies with Lock.

And it's "funds" not "founds" but never mind.

Good luck with Cipaco.

Argument? Are you joking?

You say things that are:

1) Not true

2) You cannot know

3) You cannot proof

4) You are not able to answer cause 1), 2) and 3)

You are the best proof why Lock Poker can "play their game" with their delayed withdrawals.
-> No knowledge what is going on, no knowledge how the things are working

-> As I mentioned several times, every player at Lock Poker has a contract with the company Cipaco N.V. and NOT with any domain and NOT with JDB Services.

-> Your answers show more than clearly that you have no knowledge about rights

@surprised, you need to relax with how you speak to other 2+2 users. There is simply doubt in the minds and in the logic of those around you. No one here is challenging you, in fact as stated above, we encourage you to take such action. If you feel you know ways of applying said pressure and you truly believe it's so easy, why hasn't anyone done this?

It is not about the understanding of our rights, it is about the sheer fact that you can't just expect us to jump on a plane and demand answers from the police/courts in whatever location(s) they assumably reside. If i had 6 figures on Lock, it would probably be a different story, but I simply want my $2K. That's nothing when you're talking about the amount of time and money I'd have to invest just to get a RESPONSE from someone, let alone locating and being able to retrieve player funds.

I think you need to take a step back and realize that no one wanted to argue with you, that a lot of patience and kind responses were posted in regards to hoping you'd clarify your previous statements as opposed to saying the same thing again and again. You've repeated yourself about the "misuse of player funds.." and in simple logic, it would be fairly difficult and tedious to be able to prove, (what a court would consider to be an accusation), within a reasonable amount of time. And what happens if they did use all the player funds? We would never see a dime. At that point, a "win" for the players would be jail time for Lock Executives and whoever else involved. And for me, that's not a win. My personal withdrawal is my win. Our collective money as players is our win. And I guarantee a lot of people share that same feeling.

CIGA is a joke just like Antigua's pristine license. For 15 years WSEX was licensed in Antigua. The owner just shot himself in the head two weeks ago owing millions to players.

I met the main guy behind the licensing in Curaçao back in 2002. He was 28 and we were waiting on his 16 year old girlfriend to finish her homework before heading out to dinner.

This is a tiny little island with a caveman mentality. This 28 year old moron''s right hand was beating his kids and this other girl I knew who worked for one if tge bigger online gambling site was beaten to a pulp by her doctor boyfriend. Acceptable behavior in Curacoa.

I pray to God Lock is not licensed by the government of this Hellhole, which at one time was around the 3rd biggest online gambling jurisdiction.

Just to reiterate their license is worthless.

Licenses overall are a joke but the Isle of Man comes closest to what the industry should strive for.

I find your choice of words extremely irritating Chris Costigan. You could have simply put that it is a place where the basic human code of not beating children/women isn't even followed.

I truly encourage you to become better at what you do. Perhaps taking classes on reaching your audience would help. Or even researching the fundamentals of image association with your nonsensical write-ups. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

I will never read your G911 articles, and I guarantee you've lost more viewers than gained by continually posting here.

@vindictive27
My proposal:
...and the answer:

...shows me more than clearly that he understood his rights very well.

Giving statements that he cannot know and have nothing to do with the reality speaks for him as an advicer.

I have really no idea. Ask those who prefer to pray and hope instead of trying to get their money thru legal action.

-> Maybe wrong informations from incompetent advicers?

Yeah right

Whatever you are trying to accomplish here Chris it isn't working unless you are just trying to create ill will towards lock. If that is your intent you are succeeding congrats.

Chris, they are not licenced to do business anywhere in the world. Their licence is not valid for their domain LockPoker.eu

LockPoker.com operates under the License No. 1668/JAZ issued to Curacao eGaming, Authorized and Regulated by the Government of Curacao.

So unfortunately, your worst nightmare is true: they are trying to be licenced by the "Hellhole" you speak of.

By pointing out that a license in Curacao is meaningless? Readers of this site need to know that an online gambling license means ZILCH. Alderney and Full Tilt Poker come to mind most recently. This stuff drives me nuts as these licensing agencies are never held accountable.

But as I pointed out that Isle of Man does have a pretty good track record.

Back in the early days of online gambling there was quite a bit of hype surrounding these licenses and even Yours Truly bought into it. I don't want to see others make the same mistake.

Lock having a license from anywhere except MAYBE the Isle of Man means nothing. It is a fallacy to think otherwise.

I stand by what I stated above....a license in Curacao means nothing as the folks who got stiffed by Aces Gold in 2004 can attest to. There were others that closed shop in Curacao thereafter with no player recourse.

Malta is another joke of a licensing agency (i.e Everleaf, etc..). I think Lock briefly mentioned a Malta license when they were with Merge.

Let's not even tough on Kahnawake.

I am just saying these licenses are BS.