In ATF there is a thread asking for Lock's banner ads on 2+2 to be banned: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...2-2-a-1299361/

After recent developments Mat consulted Mason and then posted this:
Essentially he's saying Lock need to give satisfactory answers to users if they are to be allowed to continue with the banner ads. I've started this thread to focus on the key questions that Lock should be answering. As far as I'm aware the main ones are these:

(1) Transfers
As recently as April 6, Shane clarified Lock's transfer policy:
Seems pretty clear. But on April 21 Lock started blocking large withdrawals. Shane claimed it was "an increase in enforcement of the transfer terms" (even though cash-outs were blocked even for players who had easily exceeded the 1:1 wagering requirement):
Shane went on to explain it was all designed to deal with some scammers:
However, he refused to provide any evidence of this or anything linking these activities to the particular transfers that were blocked.

Note that this wasn't just a change of policy any other site might implement, like: "From the start of next month we will change the 1:1 wagering requirement to a new requirement." No, this involved blocking existing withdrawals, many of which had been approved a month or so earlier, even if the player had met the stated requirements. Also, Lock didn't even announce what the new rule was. CS told players that funds received in transfers could never be withdrawn. Shane kept promising to clarify the new policy but the best we have seen (after 11 days!) is: (Note that players who do contact security report that they either receive some cut-and-paste BS or no response).

So, issue 1 is: Please give a credible explanation why cashouts have been cancelled retrospectively and a clear policy on what wagering requirements players must now meet to cash out.

(2) Network deficit
Adameve Poker and Comeon, both Revolution skins have held up payments to players on the basis that the network is (5) months behind on balance payments. The implication is that it is due to Lock not meeting its liabilities to the network. Shane has repeated denied this with these words: However, those skins have still not received the cash and the persistent suggestion is that it is due to Lock.

Lock: Please clarify the position, going beyond the words you've used to help explain why the skins are not being paid. In the absence of a sensible explanation this will continue to reinforce suspicions that Lock is insolvent.

(3) ROW cashouts
Lock cashouts are slower than every other site, including US facing ones. Lock blames this on practical difficulties in processing payments in the UIGEA environment. That washes to some extent as far as US payments but doesn't explain why ROW cashouts take 2 months+. Shane has tried to link ROW cashouts to UIGEA but the explanations so far are just unconvincing, especially as all other sites pay ROW immediately.

Lock: Please give a clear and rational explanation of why your US cashouts are slower than everyone else and why ROW cashouts are delayed at all.

(4) Cash Segregation
Despite all the apparently desperate actions to limit cashouts etc, Lock repeatedly claims that it holds 100% of player balances in segregated accounts. However, this doesn't mean much in itself - FTP and others made the same claims. What players want to see is independent confirmation of that. A year ago Shane promised that it would be provided but since then the committment has been cancelled for not very satisfactory reasons about not being able to trust auditors. Shane has even refused to confirm whether Locks regulator performs such audits.

Lock: Please agree to provide independent verification of segregated player balances. Also, confirm whether your regulator performs audits on player balances.

(5) Unfair Play Technology
This was introduced with unseemly haste by Lock after Party implemented a player segregation system. Some believe the Lock effort is a further technique to limit withdrawals. Also, the muddled implementation morphed into effective segregation of Lock players from the rest of the network, thus eliminating the need for it to make more of those network transfer payments. Despite a promised "education blitz" almost no information has been provided to players about how the system works.

Lock: Please explain clearly how Unfair Play Technology works and why you have created effective segregation from the rest of the network.


Note that all the issues above are consistent with a lack of solvency:

- Using transfers as an excuse to block cashouts
- Not paying deficits to the network
- Slowing ROW cashouts (as well as the direct effect, this also prevents US players cashing out by transferring/dumping to a friend/buyer overseas who can withdraw)
- Not allowing any kind of verification of player funds
- Unfair Play to limit the number of winning players
- Segregation from the rest of the network limits network transfer payments and stops players cashing out from Lock by transfrring/dumping to an account on, say, Intertops that pays out in 5 days.

Lol at Shane answering any of these questions.

Countdown to lock being kicked off two plus two

If Lock fails to deliver, I hope they are brought to justice and spend time in jail, including shane.

Question: Why you all try to find reason to play on Lock?

I mean it's so obvious that Lock have a big problems, and things going worse.

I feel bad for mods after they close the Lock sub forum and there is an implosion of new threads everyday in Internet poker forum with people's problems at Lock.

Answer: Because we can't withdraw all our money considering you can only withdraw 10k at a time and last time the withdrawal took 2.75 months while the time before it took 2 months.

In my mind this is probably the most important and should be addressed first.

I feel for everyone who has money trapped on Lock.

From what little I've seen (and I'm not up to date on the intricacies of the problems at Lock or the response from their reps on 2p2) it seems highly unlikely they will respond in a satisfactory way, but there's always a slim chance.

Best of luck to everyone getting the money they are owed.

Also good to add here an independent verification of that Lock paid their dept to Network.
Because Shane stated, that their invoices with the network are up to date!

In before Shane says that cashouts have improved over the last few weeks and are getting better.

Well it's a matter of perspective I suppose. My cashout in the fall took like 2.5 months. From Lock's point of view, my current cashout of 5+ months is far superior.

I agree. Frankly, if they can deliver credible independent verification then much of the rest becomes much less important.

kahnawake game commission and the LGA would attest to the fact for some $$$

the only way to verify is to start paying some 2+2 players there money to demonstrate that the money exists...no more shills

Hey Lock, if you really want to at least give the impression of solvency so that your traffic doesn't completely die, let me make a suggestion: Just pay the vocal players on 2+2. These players are obviously hurting your business far more than anyone else when they don't get paid, as they're spreading your bad reputation throughout the internet poker community, and instead of just alienating one customer at a time who can't cash out, each one also alienates another 10 who haven't tried to cash out yet, and would otherwise be unaware of your terrible policies.

This is obviously not a particularly fair suggestion, and it may lead to more people getting screwed over in the long run, but it also probably gives Lock the best chance of surviving, and gives us (2+2ers with a large amount of money stuck on Lock) the best chance of getting our money back.

I'm sure Lock can't wait to get kicked off here
Good luck dealing with support, you guys sure showed them

Lol wut?

You are implying that Shane actually carries out a supporting roll on here.

This is a good point, and I thought of this, as well.

We will need some reasonable proof that EVERYONE is getting paid (and that the money still exists), not just a few vocal people who will later come out and vouch for their own personal situation.

Are you implying Shane has not helped anyone on here

lol wut wut lol

Or what?? people will stop playing there?? Gosh there's a plan,shoulda thought off that years ago, Oh wait there was talk years ago of this sad site years ago

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Some of you wasted a lot of time being stupid.

I have had numerous friends ask me about online poker. I play in a local pub league with mostly older guys who are leisure players. They barely know what the internet is and are looking for sites thats easy to deposit and fun to play. Also easy to cash out, which is the kicker!! And i simply cannot tell them anything except stay away from lock because of all the issues!! Which is sad because i have had a pleasant playing experience there. I told them i requested a 2k WU wd the other day and and it will be at least 2 months before i see the money. They laughed hysterically and noone from that room will ever deposit.

Lock Poker has a licence from http://www.curacao-egaming.com/ do they hold Lock Poker to any standards whatsoever? And if they do, do they matter?

Curacao eGaming is worthless. It might just be some fake puppet website that Lock owns to make it look like they are regulated.

People have been emailing them for several months, making all sorts of complaints about various issues, and to my knowledge no one ever got a response.

You're right. The point is that their 'licensing' is a bit of a joke. So who is going to assure us they're legit if the license they hold is pointless.

I tried to say this here:

Shane are you going to answer to these questions?