Well, it for sure allows them to more easily leave more money at the processor as a sort of "leeway method" where they have excess money to pay out faster, which i'm 100% sure most of the big sites do to have their processor pay out close to instantly.

When player segregation came out Shane said:







So now the data says something else?

Hi Shane. I'm bored (and annoyed; at you)


Right, first of all let's get this part straight. Stop being shady and blaming another skin. The leak was posted by a gimmick account prompted by what I can only assume was my bringing it up albeit not saying what it actually was. The information the gimmick account provided was very incomplete, very little and, most importantly, was not elaborated on much in the post by the Intertops rep. He pretty much just confirmed it and provided the date of implementation and a couple of vague details.

It is my personal yet strong belief that had you/lock read either my or the gimmick's post first or had the time to formulate a reply first, or even the desire perhaps to do so, you would have done so first. Do not try to dirty up another skin's name with this bull****.

(P.S. I've never actually even played on intertops)



Okay, moving on.







Ummm hi. Why are you talking about the percentages for your room and your regs? It has already been established (by you) that when this Fair Play bull**** occurs, the segregation will be over. So the network-wide percentages and figures apply, because then tables will be network-wide not segregated anymore

So either you don't really know what you're talking about or you're outright lying==misrepresenting facts grosly. Rock-hardplace?



Please don't do this. We are not morons. We will pick it apart. Mostly b/c it'll take 1 day to do and will be terrible. So you pretty much could post it today. You should create a gimmick and give us the basics in "un-educated" form
Especially if this is a preview. Seriously. ROFL at that. A college freshman in his first marketing class would be hard pressed to do worse.


Why is the part in BOLD such a problem if what you state above is that when you had it explained you were impressed? Are we that much dumber than you that we can't understand it unless you "educate us?" Can we equate that with brainwashing us or what exactly should we understand by that?

Wanted to x-post this question here also, since it's relevant and I only now realized I'd posted it in an intertops thread (hey your fault for being there )

WRT the new cashout methods, you posted:

So this news, that came out roughly 27 hrs ago as of my posting this, 15 hrs prior to your quoted post (by all means pretty much March 1st) caught you guys somehow unprepared for the target date of March 1st that you had set out.
And considering the target date was March 1st, surely you would have been able to release at least some information by that date, or indeed by today even if it's "slowly rolled out" (which means what? It's been delayed?Do you have an ETA for when it will be sorta fully deployed?)

I can picture a system where this could work out pretty well, for most players.

We don't have all the details yet, so most of what I'm picturing is based on the G911 article. If you've ever been fishing at a stocked pond, that's what I'm comparing it to. The fish are raised at a farm or fisherie before being released into the pond. I think that's like the beginner tables, where a fresh deposit will be allowed to prosper unharmed by the bigger fish. Then those fish are released into the pond, resulting in more fish in the pond, and better fishing for everybody.

I don't know, I guess time will tell. In the end we're all pretty dependent on Lock bringing new fish into the pond somehow.

I know something you dont, Ha ha. What are you 6? Okay, we get it. You knew first. Congrats. You want a cookie? What an attention whore.

hmm

maybe a dumb question but does this impact mtts or sngs in anyway? its a dumb move regardless - if regs hourlies are cut significantly they will leave the site and games will die.....its a very greedy move by lock thats going to backfire on them in the end.......lock as usual making the great moves!

Everyone will now play with opponents of their own lvl, in fact, be break-even in a long run.

Discount rake, and nobody will win except for the "Casino" (Sorry, but your site is exactly this word now)

You can call it whatever you like, "player protection", "ecology support", or any other ****, but that won`t change the real thing.

And it`s kinda sad, that TC you`re the one to take out the garbage in this discussion.

You guys are really making me sick. I NEVER thought I would see this day come. ..... where ppl are punished for being good. Punished for spending their life learning this wonderful game.

To respond to this statement, its totally ludicrous. Fish dont think like that. They dont go oh crap I have to play with some of the best players in the game. Its the complete opposite. ... they WANT to play with the sharks. They want to see if they can get a string of good luck and take them down. Deep down they know they wont win in the long run...but that is why they play

Bottom line is, if you are in the top 33% of players, you're being cut off from the bottom 33% of players.

Thats a great analogy for it.


But if you are a Lock player your chances of being in that top 33% are greatly reduced, so with the thresholds set where they currently are the great majority of our players will be in the middle group and still able to play against all players.

And if you are on another skin you will actually have a higher probability of being in the top group mean you will be in a restricted player pool but with Lock ending their segregation and returning players to the main pool you should still end up in a bigger player pool than you are currently.

so it makes you good that you can beat a beginner
way i see it the FISH can play anybody
players with better winning stats can only chase other winning players
just cuz u can beat beginners doesnt make you good it makes you a little better then a beginner
now your scared to play a experienced player as in somebody that knows 2 pairs beats top pair
makes you a leech not a good player

shane i actually feel sorry for u having to deal with this PR nightmare. you're probably only fed a few lines to combat the typical fiery responses you'd expect.

"most players will be in the middle class"

whoever gave you these lines must be laughing very hard each time they read the responses you're getting.

I hope the NBA adopts a similar system! We'll have Miami only play against OKC, San Antonio, and teams well over .500. Then we'll have the bobcats play the Wizards and Kings only. That way most teams will be around .500. A balanced league for all to enjoy! Better yet, lets separate all players over 6'9 from the rest of the league because those 6'0 guys have a tough time not getting their shots blocked. Less shots blocked = more shots made!

Highly doubt this will impact MTTs & SNGs -- the current enviroment is not liquid enough to segragate MTTs/SNGs.

The problem is the information should never have been release until we had the detailed information for the players. This wasn't something you can just release a few lines it has to be laid out in great detail so everyone can understand it.

People also just dont understand how fishy our traffic is, experienced players look at what we do marketing wise and say its stupid because it doesnt entice them to play, not realising that it was never intended to entice them it was to bring in fresh recreational players. Something we have no problem doing, our daily signups dwarf the network partners. So when I say the majority of our players will fit in the middle group its not some throw away line, its a fact based on us looking at the thresholds and how they apply to our player base.

As for the NBA comparison they kind of already have the same structure. The East is the lower level and the middle level, and the West is the middle and upper levels. Miami might have played more games against weaker competition all year long, but they still managed to beat everyone and be crowned champions.

Are you saying that two players of equal skill, one playing on Lock and one playing on Intertops, the Intertops player will could end up in the top group while the Lock player could end up in the middle group? It sounds like you will be showing favoritism to Lock players by putting more of them in the middle group vs the top group regardless of skill level.

If Lock is ending their skin-specific segregation, why does it even matter if Lock has a larger portion of middle class players?

If you're a Lock player in the top 33%, you will be fenced off from the bottom 33%, since everyone is sharing the same player pool again, correct?

best way to PROTECT anyone from others is just to make it anonymous names
you set at a table ur number 1205842
and anybody can play anybody
you never know who your playing
does away with the so called beginner beaters who think their good but are scared to play others
all stats will be playing at any time and if your good you will win if not they accept deposits
you might be at table with all FISH OR PROS
FLIP IT

Gotta admit, that was the best response you've given all thread. F U experienced players, welcome fish! I'll also admit that this is a smart move by you guys. You're experienced players may attempt to leave or start multi-accounting but the US players have too few options at this point. It does boggle my mind how both the Merge Network and Revolution Network have dropped the ball so badly. Each time one of you emerged as the new #1 US site, you screw up with bad cashout times and horrible software bugs then implement whacky ideas like this.

TLDR: You win, we lose....until legislation passes. Then you die. Money grab all you can now.

That's what it sounded like to me as well.

And what is with this "recreational" talk all of a sudden??? Lock offers the highest value in combined rb, bonus, etc. and that was to attract "Recs"

The inconsistency of "what is said" as to "what is" is getting lol redonkulous.

instead of the nba use the ncaa football program where the only teams ever be allowed to play the champion game is from teams from certain conferences doesnt matter what your win rate is if u dont belong to those conferences you wont be in the GAME
cuz ur just not good enuf to be there
but its the fair way isnt it
not really but those teams bring in the most revenue

No what Im saying is that despite everyones perceptions of what group they will be in more of our players are in the middle group meaning they remain unaffected, so only a small number of our players are negatively affected.


If you are in small percentage of Lock players in the top group then yes you are cutoff from the bottom group, but with the end of segregation you also pickup players and with the the fish farm analogy someone else posted you will eventually have more funds flowing up the chain from the stronger bottom end you will benefit in the long term.

Now we know what Revolution means. The Communist Revolution of Online Poker.