All very good questions, especially the "Lock Store delay" question baffles me too, it really shows liquidity problems imo.

The question I quote now, however.. it really made me laugh, i mean, is this serious? Intertops isn't bat**** insane stupid, that's why. Like, why would they ever reply to that question? Lock won't even bother either, it's just.. o.O

where is my money?

Personally I think the Q&A thing is already getting out of hand before it really started. So we now go this thread to post questions, then the official Q&A to read the answers to the questions and then a seperate thread for each single question to discuss them?

Ehm... have fun all but still would like to know what the progess is, if any, in terms of offering bitcoin processing.

Yeah seriously, I can't believe what this Lock forum has turned into in just a matter of months. You're going to personally support having multiple Question Threads, Mike Haven? The ratio of questions to answers is astronomical as it is, now you want to have multiple threads repeating questions we've all been asking for a while now? Sure, the Q&A thread was getting long, but at least it was collective.

It was already difficult to sort through this forum, and it is now even more annoying to do so. I personally have little-to-no interest in checking MULTIPLE question threads. Especially ones that don't even have serious answers to the posed questions.

I find it hard to believe that the majority of people who used/use this forum for any information enjoy the new "layout of the threads" if you will. I don't mean this to bash anyone, but seriously.. Q1 thread? Q2 thread? Q3 thread? What? Why? How is that anymore organized than the previous format of a single long thread? Better yet, how is that resulting in having more serious answers to those posed questions?

Could you elaborate on awol?


And would shane be working on the rebuttal questions?


new question(posted as a rebuttal Q1 but I'll put it here, as it wont be answered anyway)

Your online support is still quoting 4-5 weeks for WU. This is clearly not a best estimate as you have been receiving emails, FB responses, and inquiries from 2+2ers that are waiting 3-4 months. 4-5 weeks is beyond optimistic and does not seem to be a best or even accurate estimate for current or new customers. Do you plan to update these estimated times and when do you plan on doing this?

Will Jen Larson be making any public comments, statements, or interviews concerning the future of Lock Poker? Would she care to come to this thread and answer some moderated questions?

Bictor, this is a serious response... how do you/we know how long it is taking new customers lol.. We have the data that is provided here on forums of how long it takes SOME posters, but this clearly isn't a full view of the entire picture.

I've seen TONS of posts that say some ppl are getting bumped up/skipping thru the que and getting their cashouts hella fast... Maybe the estimated times for new customers are 4-5 weeks? I don't know, just saying so much of what is thrown out here on 2p2 is all just speculation and are just opinions that people have formed to fit their own personal arguements...

(by the way I am in no way saying that if new customers are bumped up in the que this is fair or right... just saying its not that far outta the realm of possiblility)

You are absolutely still free to start your own threads or to join in discussion in other threads. No problem there, if you prefer it that way. No doubt Shane will read and comment in those too, if he has time.

This trial structured system is to ensure that Shane gives an answer to certain questions posed in the sticky, and enables all users to read his answers quickly and easily, without having to wade through the dross and off-topic comments that almost inevitably appear in other threads. After a few days, it should become a kind of FAQ.

Users interested in particular questions and answers can then easily go to the linked discussion threads and, again, read others on-topic comments or post on-topic themselves. If you're not interested in some questions or answers, don't bother to read the linked thread.

If the idea doesn't work, then I'll happily bow out. It's a bit of a hassle for me, I have to admit, and if I only read criticism for all the effort I'm putting in to try to help you get clear and easily read answers, I will certainly be outta here quicker than you can expect to receive a small cashout.

Don't make this a sticky thread quite yet as most of us, myself included, I suspect have come to overlook these threads at the top of the page since there hasn't been much of an update.... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ad-op-1354573/

This is good stuff. Love the part that only Mike Haven and Shane can reply in the thread.

My suggestion is to wait another two weeks to make it a sticky thread though. I can tell by the under 600 view count people are probably missing this one.

I am here nearly every day and out of habit don't pay much mind to those threads.

Have you heard from him lately? I haven't. Maybe I expected too much, but I thought he'd be in fairly constant contact in the first day or two, at least.

I'm not sure what others see when they open a forum, (maybe it depends on the settings each person has chosen for themselves?), but if a new post has been made in a sticky since I last opened the forum, I see the title in bolded letters, so I look to see what has been posted.

Jah said he was really hammered the other day and that he might not be at full capacity the next day.

Maybe he's still licking his wounds.

Sticky does show in bold on the black forum theme.

Difference to other threads is that so far 99% read the OP and didn't post in it. Hence it is updated less frequently and hence viewed less by the forum users (specially the regs). Most of us wont go back until MH's next update.

Thread is fine Costigan but I digged this up just for which also covers stickies and other useful forum tools.

Maybe it's just the way I read the forum. Most of the threads are in bold for me. I tend to look for threads that have moved up to the top just below the sticky threads though out of habit.

Actually the word "STICKY" stays in bold so when I see that word out of habit don't pay any attention to those threads. Thinking there are at least a few on here who do the same. Those threads have been so stagnant on this forum over the past two or three months.

That part is great and personally I appreciate that you've stepped forward to moderate this thread and the sticky Q&A thread.

I was under the impression that the community members would be able to discuss the questions in this thread which you're already moderating which would scrape the Q1, Q2 etc threads and the need to moderate those as well.

Pretty sure that would be easier for you as well and take less time. Most of the regs and Shane himself do a pretty good job in multi-quoting.

I would suggest dropping the Q threads and have the on-topic discussions here. But I understand that if there is a large number of Q's to be talked about it can become difficult to follow one specific question.

Then again if there will be a large number of Question 1, Question 2..... Question 14... Question 21 threads it will also be hard to follow up a specific question or spot an update since the thread titles don't mean anything. In that case at least add a ref to the title ala "Q5 Will Jen Larson go on record concerning the future of Lock?" or something like that.

in that case those people including yourself should subscribe to threads you would like to follow so that you receive an email when there is a new update.

Either that or pay more attention when viewing the board.

I don't know and that is why I am asking the question. I would like to hear and from Shane and Lock. But as someone who has a strong background in accounting and a so so background in statistics, the info posted here is probably statistically significant. If it weren't Shane could easily refute it with his own stats. And still keep private info sensitive to Lock. I would like to see him do just that. Fair enough?


I would not say Nutz report is "speculation". Is it the bible- no. But it is very detailed and most likely represents a statistically significant sample size to draw certain conclusions about what is going on. Again, Lock could easily refute it with non confidential numbers if they wish. Lock is reporting WU is 4-5 weeks. There seems little to support this claim.

Which is why I have asked Shane repeatedly of how the process works, and not received an adequate answer. Tell us the cashout process and what you are doing at each step. I don't need to know the processors and I don't care. But why is it 3 months to go from request to verified? Why are people waiting 7 months for a small cashout? How do those fall through the cracks?

Sorry guys, between grinding and RL my plate was full these past couple of days. It's not gonna get much better until monday, but will do my best to be more active in here. It's just been that kind of month where after the nth losing session i just want to run away from anything poker-related

FWIW i don't see what the bickering is about? Wtf are you talking about that you have to check MULTIPLE threads? There's ONE Q&A thread, how is that bad?

Maybe Shane will have a few more questions answered by Monday. I think the first 3 exhausted the poor boy.

There's a question staging thread, a thread where questions are posted and not really answered by Shane, and a bunch of individual question discussion threads titled by numbers. It's confusing as hell.

Can we first just be clear though and state that there's NOTHING ensuring Shane to actually answer these questions. There is a fine line between responding to a question and actually answering it. How often have ANY of us taken one of Shane's answers and actually been satisfied? Even if you're remotely satisfied just ONCE, you immediately have follow-up questions about his response, because something once again didn't add up. The short answer to that is RARELY. It's a RARE occurrence to feel like your question was actually answered properly and with the correct information.

The sad part is that we'd actually settle for 4-5 week withdrawal times like they claim, and yet we can't even get those. What other questions need to be asked anymore? We've run around in circles. We've waited for improvement. We've been forced to listen to crap and sat quasi-patiently anyways. And for the person who posted above that says the data shows OLD wait times and not new wait times, that is true.. BUT, if Lock was suddenly paying out on a regular at even 4-5 weeks, Lock $ wouldn't be selling in the marketplace for .3 and lower these days. There aren't even a lot of BUYERS anymore at .3-.32, trust me I know, I've been looking for them.

In regards to Jah, I just meant that I think it's silly to have MULTIPLE threads relating to Questions (Discussions on the questions). Everything that was needed was incorporated in the Q&A thread, which has been LOCKed. If you want to spend free time on editing the layout of this forum, kudos. I am just personally giving you another opinion that it is in fact cluttering the forum and creating more confusion instead of less.

In all honesty, it is more work for you, and it is more work for viewers of the forums to go into multiple threads for discussions regarding topics already being presented in another thread. I'm not going to keep track of which questions are in which threads, so I'd continually have to check back to the thread "key" to find out which discussion thread I should be checking. I'd personally rather just scroll through 1 thread. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but it just seems like excess time usage and more thread clutter.

I sort of agree, I skip over the stickys as well in forums that I visit often.

This was an issue for some reason in NVG, and I think they made the sticky red for awhile so everybody would see it. I think it was a message about account hacking or something.

Maybe MH can make the Q&A sticky red.

What's the plan for getting Shane to actually respond to these questions in a serious way? I realize the difficulty (there's no way to make him respond), but the community should make it clear that these non-answers aren't acceptable.

His first set of responses consisted of the same superficial stuff that he's already said repeatedly, along with some personal insults directed at an individual who has worked hard to help this forum. Will the points raised in the discussions be redirected to him as followup questions? Do we need a summary thread where we prominently highlight the areas which Lock cannot or will not address?

Remember, we're doing this for ourselves, and also the poker community as a whole. We owe it to people that visit 2+2 to present the whole truth about Lock.

Something should be proposed about bitcoin, it seems like a great option, why will lock not even consider it? Someone just needs to word the question well, and maybe Shane could bring it up to Jen and company.

Shane has already explained that bitcoin too shady for Lock Poker to be associated with.

Seriously. That's what he said.