If I'm at the final table of the WSOP? I think a stand on principle, coupled with the fact I'm probably going to win at least $1 million already, might lead to better financial opportunity down the road. I'm just not a greedy guy. Something perhaps the upper management of Lock could stand to emulate?

I'll go back to my starry-eyed dream world now...lol.

some of us have a lot of $ tied up on here, can we at least wait the timescale that matt stout told us before doing this; id rather have an out than set fire to it.

People at the DOJ--both in Maryland and SDNY--generally pay attention to what's going on in online poker. For example, they read 2p2. Calling up and saying "Jennifer Larson runs Lock Poker. I learned that on 2p2. I don't like her. Can you indict her please?" wouldn't have any effect on anything.

I know that they follow internet poker somewhat and also read this forum. I've spoken to a few DoJ agents (Richard Kay mostly). That doesn't mean they are fully up to date on the fact that 1. players havent been able to withdraw for months yet they are still taking deposits and 2. they are retroactively changing rules to effectively steal money (the transfer balonie).

Those things are a lot different than simply running a poker site, which the DoJ has backed off of now since their case sort of fell apart against stars.

Wow! Lock Poker is huge in the USA, there's 838 cash players on there right now, they're ballers. Lock Poker can't be afraid of the DOJ as the threat of them shutting their site down existed well before this thread was created. That's the risk they have to take in order to do business in the USA.

Sorry, but this thread is no excuse for poor communication on their behalf. They knew the risk when they made the support forum. They can't back into disappearing from this thread.

you cant be serious , after posting on g911 about the still born and that trash defending a scam site like lock encouraging players to wait months on cash out , give them another chance it will be the new lock poker. your really a sick person to be comparing stuff. to me your g911 writing on lock is more messed up then anyone thinking about turning jen larceny into the feds

Are you charging them per shill post or is this an added feature in your media deal with Lock?

Tell Jennifer to come post on here and stop hiding.

For those who don't know.... Chris owns gambling911{dot}com .... and has a Media deal with Lock....

Read this other Shill Post from Chris here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=19

"I think most of the industry feels it is pretty unnerving what Everleaf has pulled here whether fact or fiction.

First off, this isn’t necessarily my first TwoPlustwo.com post. I was a regular here back in 1998 around the time this site first launched. So don’t be put off too much by my first post. I look forward to participating more often. I’m also the owner of a website many refer to as G911. The community here regularly links to our articles and for that I am especially appreciative. You either love us or hate us but we do have a pulse on what is going on.

The attorney who represented us in our Motion to Intervene against the US Attorney in the Southern District of New York regarding the investigation into Full Tilt Poker and PokerStars was actually head legal counsel for Homeland Security at one point. We would be very grateful to have Everleaf provide us with this “Cease and Desist” letter the HLS sent them, as would all other industry media outlets for that matter.

I love the fact that Everleaf, a rather small network in the whole scheme of things decides to have someone post that Homeland Security ordered them to cease and desist this past Thursday even though they had authored provisions to keep U.S. players off their site back on February 2 and continued accepting deposits over the past couple of days, complete with massive signup bonuses. . This should tell you something about the integrity of the fine folks behind Everleaf. To add insult to injury, this was soooo serious that no presser was issued on Friday after everything went public????? Instead, they felt compelled to shut all U.S. accounts off without warning. I am sure "Management" has no clue that guy from Minted decided to announce the HLS to the world (being sarcastic here). These guys all have attorneys that would have shut him up otherwise.

Way to go Everleaf!!! Time for the weekend guys, let’s go party and screw the U.S. players!!! Give me a break!!!!

Everleaf claims one of their processors was taken down by the Feds yet we can’t find anything that suggests they used methods of withdrawal other than Western Union beyond October (outside of Pics Club which owner Chuck Kidd’s employee posted in another thread was not the subject of any U.S. Justice Dept. probe). The last time they sent a wire out was back in October from what I can tell.

On Friday they shut off U.S. players without warning. It is purely amazing how they were supposed to issue a press release illustrating how Homeland Security forced them to back out of the U.S. market. I guess it wasn’t that important and it doesn’t matter that all their customers are freaking out. Management decided not to issue a statement and instead all concerned customers have to wait until earliest Monday to get some type of clarification. Meanwhile, with Lock Poker, I can personally email the owner at 3 am EST in the morning and probably get a response within minutes. The owner of Lock never sleeps. She is 300 percent committed to ensuring Lock Poker is the best out there!

As for the Western Union withdrawal method being taken down from the Lock Poker site, you might as well thank Everleaf for that. I’m sure enough people were freaked out that the WU processing was overwhelmed on Friday and they had no choice but to take it down. WU does have a maximum capacity for handling withdrawals. This is just an assumption on my part but it seems pretty obvious from where I sit.

Let’s get something straight here: Everleaf is not in the same league as the likes of Lock, Carbon, Bodog, American’s Cardroom, Intertops, PokerStars, BetOnline, etc… If they WERE, they would not have even mentioned such a thing as this supposed Homeland Security Cease and Desist, which none of us in the online gambling media have been able to confirm. NONE OF US HAVE CONFIRMED IT AND EVERLEAF HAS NOT OFFERED ANY PROOF (perhaps they will do so on Monday, Who knows). The folks at Everleaf have decided to retire for the weekend so quite frankly they don’t care a whole lot about their customers concerns (evident also from the numerous chat sessions posted at TwoPlusTwo). Meanwhile, the good people at Lock are doing everything possible to find ways to get their players paid in a sufficient amount of time only to encounter setbacks a la Everleaf.

Everleaf, for those who don’t know, have been slow paying people for over a month by releasing only a maximum 7 Western Union payouts to U.S customers. Of course they are going to shut off U.S. customers at some point! Especially if more of their customers are requesting their winnings. They have had ZERO payment processing and ZERO capacity to service the U.S. customer base beyond trying to get them to withdrawal through Moneybookers accounts of those outside the States. Their own customers claim they couldn’t even re-deposit using a Visa. Everleaf should have just claimed they could no longer service the U.S. customer base but instead chose to throw this Homeland Security cease and desist order out there. Just what this rattled industry and players want to hear!!!!

Contrary to what might be presented here, those in the industry are not all bad. Correct me if I’m wrong but PokerStars paid everyone within a month of being indicted back in April. Good for them! PokerStars represents the 90 percent good in this industry. I am confident Lock would do the same and I trust the other companies I mentioned above (each in business for at least 10 years) would do likewise (case in point the owners of Americas Cardroom who have saved a couple dozen online gambling companies from going under over the years)

In all my years involved in this industry I can still only point to a handful of “established” companies that have left customers high and dry: Sports International, Aces Gold/Sports Market, Blue Marlin Sports, BetOnSports, UB.com/Absolute Poker, Full Tilt Poker and perhaps now Everleaf. Everyone else was a fly-by-night and sadly we’ve had plenty of those in the early years, not so much any more. That’s a pretty good track record considering this industry is heading into its 16th year.

I’m hoping this puts people’s minds at ease regarding Lock. There are very good people behind this company and I am sure most of you realize this."



Isn't Lock going thru the same thing that Everleaf was? So based on your post Chris, is Lock not to be trusted?

Wow! 300%! That's a lot!

X-Men First Class, yo.

coincidentally, 300% is also the ratio of player balances to available cash on hand.

I really wish that people would simply respond to arguments with clear arguments of their own rather than resorting to demonization. I couldn't care less whether someone is a shill or not. Even a shill's point of view lives or dies on the merit of his arguments. Attacking a poster rather than his arguments just shows weakness.

bahahahahahahaha I had no idea. This explains a lot. I do read the G911 articles a few times a week, but it is just so damn obvious when it comes to their Lock Poker articles. They are trying so hard to create an article about nothing just to give some sort of positive spin on every awful thing that this company does.

Chris: 2+2 dropped Locks adds and is refusing to accept their advertisement funds anymore. Why haven't you wrote an article about that? The only people on this website that continue to support Lock are sponsored pros and moppets like you who are paid with player funds to defend them. You want people to respect your opinions? Try being honest with your readers.

what a idiot idea.. some of us have money on there and are wanting it off, no shot in hell of getting it if the DOJ shut lock down, lock doesn't make enough money for our greedy ass government to go after, you want to be mad at someone be mad at the real criminals in DC, that's why your stuck on this shady ass website call lockpoker.

Your creditbility with the 2 + 2 community is zero. Just stop this. It's all laughable.

Matter of fact, since I don't have funds on Lock anymore, all of this I read for entertainment. Cool story bro.

Fact: the DoJ doesn't seize players funds. As evident from the PokerStars situation, we were allowed to log in and cash out because player funds were safe.

It's like you're saying to start promoting Lock Poker and get some new deposits so you can get paid.

I agree Lock Poker is too small for the DoJ to pursue, but your suggestion that you'll never get paid if the DoJ gets involved is wrong if they have the players bankrolls in tact (and that's a big IF).

But guess where you'll find the expected press release regarding the P2P policy and playthrough requirements published first?

Hmm could it be g911?!?!?! lol amazing.

I would put 0.1 btc on it

EDIT:
Guess I won already:
http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ns-050913.html

This is totally selfish and not thought through.

If they are rogue, they won't pay you guys. If they are rogue and they do pay you, then, the money came from someone else, namely new players.
If you feel that it is preferable for the site to keep running until you get your money, then basically you would be waiting for new players to deposit into lock, and now when the site closes, they will be the ****ed ones.

Which is very selfish, it's ok though, I'm selfish.

Totally agree, even though with lock the chances are very very low!
Still better than DOJ

DOJ will make it worse. We need to force lock to sit down at the table and show all viable options from bankruptcy to selling the company in a fire-sale, maybe the players can get something out of all this.

But right now all they are doing is buying time, which is just waisting the players funds on covering up everything. Lets just get to the bottom of this W/O the DOJ!

Speaking of sale, why doesn't a group of poker players form a coalition and attempt to purchase Lock from Larsen? If I was a made business man, depending on the price it would take to own it, I would definitely be interested. I've always thought Lock had a golden opportunity, especially for US players, to really help fill the void left by Pokerstars and Full Tilt. But of course, they've ruined that with their inept administrations. Still don't think it's too late to seriously right the ship, if only the right owner(s) came along.

He is 100 percent serious based on all his lock promoting supporting threads. I really don't know who the bigger expletive is Shane or Costigan. Its a toss up . I still think a class action suit filed wherever Larson is hiding would be more effective then threats of the doj as lock prob not big enough of a fish for doj to go after.

OP's logic is comparable to the lame notions that got the UIGEA passed in the first place. The we are "saving you" argument, when really you are limiting others freedom to choose.