I am not sure who to contact in the DoJ to start criminal action against this lady as well as the owner (does anyone know who that is). If someone knows who I can contact I'd greatly appreciate it and I will make a call.

I think this is a great idea.

Black Friday sucked because PS was actually on the up and up. THIS is a case in which the DoJ should absolutely step in.

I would be very, very, very, very surprised if they don't know who she is. it probably just isn't worth the time and resources for them (and/or Caesars et al) to shut down Lock.

further, if you think the DoJ feels bad for or cares about protecting poker players playing on offshore sites, then you have a warped sense of reality.

There are several steps i believe you can take.

1. Go to the Lawyer that prosecuted the case. I.e. his public twitter or facebook.

2. Start a white house petition get people to sign it get some attention on it. Heck it might even show why legalized federal poker needs to happen because Americans are becoming victims to unregulated poker sites.

What did Jennifer Larson ever do to you? Silver Linings Playbook was a great movie. Hunger Games wasn't too bad, either...

If the DoJ shuts down Lock or hinders their operation then that makes the chance of people getting money off of the site go from mid-low chance to 0% chance imo.

I do not want her prosecuted. Certainly not at this point anyway. I have some money on there. Quite a few others have a lot more.

If the site closes up shop and they definitely run off with the dough then I certainly hope she gets into whatever hot water over this she deserves.

But that is not the same as the current situation in which a lot of us guessing that is probably going to happen.

The DOJ is not going to care at all about the money and the customers who have lost funds. The only chance for money, albeit a seemingly slim one, is for Lock to not be shut down.

in the end lock will shutdown eventually. If a federal poker bill or if enough states get on board with internet poker then why would any US player go to Lock poker? So that would mean no new deposits and no more cashouts.

Class action suit in Canada or whatever rock she is under. Its pretty obvious only way Lock will pay out is mass new deposits and Lock because of its current situation will never be able to rebound with enough new deposits to make it sustainable imo. I don't think bankruptcy is avoidable at this point as much as everyone wants to be paid.

Well since we are left in the dark it's hard to say what is right. Lock has done almost everything it can to look as shady as it possibly can. If they continue to go on and just steal more money from others...I would prefer the DoJ step in. Also there is an extra advantage for whoever strikes or leaves first. I am not sure how much the DoJ would be able to recover and actually give to players...so i can't really comment there. I do like the idea of Lock going away for good now and not stealing more money or buying time...but people getting paid back first would be nice. If the DoJ was able to strike first before Lock ran it may recover more funds...but hard to say what looks best in the dark.

good thing about Lock is that its a fairly small company. that probably owes less than 20million now if your a US casino looking to earn some goodwill while trying to start a online poker company why not buy lock poker and its software and rebrand it.

The DOJ will probably not be able to do anything. I mean the moment she is wanted I think she will probably be where Calvin Ayre is. I mean he is wanted by the DOJ and they don't have him yet.

They probably won't do anything, but no hurt in trying their Facebook or Twitter pages:

USA
https://www.facebook.com/DOJ
https://twitter.com/TheJusticeDept

Canada
https://www.facebook.com/JusticeCanadaEn
https://twitter.com/JusticeCanadaEn

What if by remaining idle we are giving her/the owner time to move all of the money to save havens from the USA? The longer we let this go on the more of a possibility this becomes to me.

Also, by allowing them to get away with this we encourage future poker sites to do the same thing. There is long term value if you think about it this way, even if it slightly reduces our chances of getting paid (which I don't really see changing too much to be honest, either they have the money or not).

How does anyone even consider this to be a viable option with respect to getting your money?

Pokerstars is a good company and wanted to stay in good standing with players, it makes sense that players got paid back after the DOJ fiasco.

Fulltilt players got lucky. They would not have seen a dime if it weren't for PS.

I guarantee you if the DOJ steps in here, you will not see any money. You have a much greater chance waiting and hoping lock turns their **** around.

Beyond that, it isn't like the DOJ isn't well aware of the current operating US poker sites.

The DOJ helped cause this situation. Lock wasn't anything until the largest, legitimate site that paid players out right away (PokerStars) was charged.

If you want to go further back, the idiots that represent us being swung hard by conflicting interests from the NFL and religious extremist groups passed laws that ended up hindering legitimately good for players sites such as PokerStars. How do you respect an online gambling law that was attached to a must pass ports security bill by a politician catering to extreme religious groups with the hopes of riding that into the white house? It's ludicrous when you think about the process that led to the UIGEA being passed.

Oh and those casinos that will regulate our online poker in the USA legally now? They sat on the sidelines, didn't stand up at all for players back then.

So, be careful who you ask for help, when they've hurt more than helped us in the past in many cases.

Who does online poker harm and why can't a responsible adult make their own decision with what they want to do with $100 on a Saturday night? As long as they aren't hurting others...

People need to get better at making decisions for themselves. If Lock ends up taking your money, there have been warning signs for years that were ignored as long as cashouts were reasonable-ish and rakeback was high.

+1

About 3 months ago I tried very hard to talk a poker student out of "giving information" to the DOJ. He wanted to request small checks and small WU transfers, and then send that info to the DOJ.

He was doing it out of spite because his cash outs took so long (he left a little bit on the site to "play around with").

While it might feel good to do something like that, I think the main people you would be hurting would be fellow poker players. Please don't do something like this guys.

Getting the DOJ involved would probably be the most self-destructive way of going about this. Furthermore, the DOJ would be more than happy to make it a clean sweep of all the poker sites. Be careful for what you wish for.

tells you about the current situation of Lock that people are even considering this.

ridiculously irresponsible of mods to even keep this thread open imo

you think the DoJ cares about player interests? They care about putting trophies on their wall and the PR

first off, when the DoJ hunts lock down, who do you really think they are hunting down? they are going after the same payment processors that are shared between them and the other us facing sites. lets not cause a situation that could have HUGE consequences on all those sites and cause huge damage to the online community.

even mentioning the DoJ for help may be one of the dumbest things i've ever read, and thats a lot coming from a tard like me. seriously.

I understand that many poker players think of the short term ev decision the way a lot of you guys are. That is why a guy like Brad Booth (and several other similar stories) and go on owing several people a lot money. Nobody wants to rat him out because they hope someone else will free roll them into getting paid back. That isn't my thought process, though. Mine is "If someone does something wrong to me I want to see them punished so others are discouraged from doing it again in the future". If someone did that to me I would immediately out them, even if it cost me something in the long run. Was WCG|Rider out of line for outing this guy? I sure don't think so. I'm glad he did it. Also there is some value in the protection that gives you in the future (even if it doesn't completely off set your losses). Don't you think people are less likely to pull the same scam on him in the future and instead pick a weaker target?

BTW the DoJ might be more willing to enter this case than a typical poker site. Stars made them back down that the wire act applied to internet poker, for example. But if this isn't simply a poker site and there is evidence that it is acting as a ponzi scheme there is probably much easier legal grounds for criminal charges.

no thats completely different and a ******ed analogy

jennifer larsen is already outted as a known scumbag, just search her name in google and see what you find

you are the one being incredibly short sighted not realizing that when the DoJ sweeps in on lock, everyone under 21 playing on these sites will get burned bad (lose everything), all other sites will likely be attacked (merge et al) and you threaten to completely destroy w/e of an online poker community that is left in the united states. payment processors, the reputation of online poker, everything will go down and people will be put at tremendous at risk. people who have been getting their money off at bovada, merge, ACR/BCP, and other sites will get hit hard as cashout times increase because of the DOJ attacking the processors and you will do way more harm to the community via systemic damage than good. who knows, the DOJ might just go on a swoop and knock out all those sites too, and that would be horrible.

i admire the fact that you want justice and that you want jennifer larsen in jail, but DO NOT DO IT THROUGH THE DOJ. do it through other means i.e canadian litigation, litigation through the gaming license, exhaust ALL of those channels first, before you even begin to even utter DOJ.

edit: just to note, the DOJ doesn't give a flying **** about actual justice, they care about $$$. they may not even care because it is inconsequential and won't get a nice headline. that being said do not do it through the DOJ. we have not exhausted all other means first. exhaust ALL other avenues first, then seek through DOJ if you REALLY need..and first off we really need to wait and see what goes down with lock

The comparison is pretty decent IMO even if contacting the DoJ isn't the right solution.

Whats an alternative? What country could we actually rely on to chase after this bitch and put her in prison for fraud?

first off- we need to wait for all the facts to come into play. everything is completely chaotic right now and this is coming from someone who ardently gathered info from the portugal trip and spread it through 2p2 and bashed the pros. to do anything right now would be really bad and way out of line, we have no idea what is going on, and while we can just assume the worst, we really need to let Primordial and the other lock pros as well as their PR team figure their **** out and tell us what is going on (within next 4-5 days).

second off- the comparison to wcgrider and all that is completely different. its not like if wcgrider outted the scum that he's hurting hundreds of people and causing them direct pain and causing them to lose thousands of dollars lol. there is a difference between cost benefit analysis and moral responsibility. realize that the systemic damage this would create would be horrible

third-the first option should not be the DOJ by any means. you have to exhaust ALL outlets of remedial jurisdiction first. the first is through attacking the pros and getting info (check). the next is filing a formal comprehensive complaint to the gaming commission based in Curacao or wherever. there are many more means that come to mind to at least get player balances back, but the absolute worst thing to do would be to unravel the entire online poker community.

fourth- you really think the US is going to be put her in prison? have you been following FTP at all? where do you think Lederer and Ferguson and the other principal partners are at? i'm sure jen has this all planned out well in advance

you need to have little less moral outrage and little bit more logic and realize the systemic damage something like this does

edit: just wanna say also that you are drastically overestimating the amount of money people have on Lock Poker, it is nowhere even close to the big sites

also keep in mind revolution gaming is the company in charge of everything, so you have to exhaust all their channels too

You've just learned an expensive lesson.

Unlike FTP, Lock has had warning signs of problems for years.

Next time you willingly put your own money into something, do some research. Google search about cashout times, scandals, scams and reviews.

You'll start to see a pattern, that even sites that haven't gone under for years have done some shady things. And you might start to value the most reputable sites that cashout players consistently and give reliable information when problems do arise.

And the more people that put value on consistent and reputable actions from poker rooms, the more poker rooms will see that they get a nice boost of customer loyalty by making good, transparent decisions.

Since so many people just seem to care about flashy promos, big deposit bonuses, rake races and rakeback, it's no wonder that poker rooms focus so much more on this stuff than having transparent and fair rules for all their players.

Lock has gotten a lot of hate bc the situation there has gotten so bad, but make no mistake, many other rooms get away with milder lies and garbage all the time, and a big part of the reason is bc so many players put a very low value on reputation and transparency in this industry.

But research, research, research. There's never been a single legitimate promo that somehow justified depositing money towards without spending 15 minutes researching the reputation of the company first. Don't make decisions with your own money based on quick impulse, and you'll drastically reduce the chances of having money on a site that scams, lies or poorly handles their customers (that's independent of the situation at Lock, it's good to keep this in mind for any site you're making a decision on).