I've experienced collusion in both the 10 man and 6 man dons. I'm going to post the HHs with usernames to inform everyone of the current colluders on lock. This tournament 6man doubleup just ended.

These are 2 hands from a doubleup. The other 2 guys were giving chips to keep donkey222 in the game.

Revolution Gaming Network - $15+$0.9|75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

screenerr (BTN): 4,255.00
mesquite (SB): 4,045.00
donkey222 (BB): 205.00
AustinS89 (UTG): 495.00

screenerr posts ante 20.00, mesquite posts ante 20.00, donkey222 posts ante 20.00, AustinS89 posts ante 20.00, mesquite posts SB 75.00, donkey222 posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 305.00) AustinS89 has 4 8

fold, fold, fold

donkey222 wins 230.00


Revolution Gaming Network - $15+$0.9|75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

screenerr (BB): 4,520.00
mesquite (UTG): 3,930.00
donkey222 (BTN): 245.00
AustinS89 (SB): 305.00

screenerr posts ante 20.00, mesquite posts ante 20.00, donkey222 posts ante 20.00, AustinS89 posts ante 20.00, AustinS89 posts SB 75.00, screenerr posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 305.00) AustinS89 has 6 Q

fold, donkey222 raises to 225.00 and is all-in, fold, fold

donkey222 wins 455.00

1st one doesn't say much, last one is odd, though, but chances are it's more a case of "doesn't know a thing" rather than collusion.

Maybe you need to learn how to read a HH

The first one he's in the BB for 150 with 55 behind with the BTN and SB having 4k stacks and they walk it to him.

The second one screenerr (who knows better FOR SURE) who is in the BB for 150 w/ a 4.5k stack folds to donkeys all-in of 225. It's 75 more to call and he folds.

screenerr was more than happy to come along for my all-in right after that and check it down multi-way...


Here is another example from a $25 10 man don.

Revolution Gaming Network - $25+$1.5|125/250 NL (10 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

wrytoast (CO): 6,055.00
AustinS89 (BTN): 1,976.00
Dealone (SB): 1,574.00
Phlatout (BB): 2,945.00
PearlyGatez (UTG): 502.00
KS248 (MP): 1,948.00

wrytoast posts ante 30.00, AustinS89 posts ante 30.00, Dealone posts ante 30.00, Phlatout posts ante 30.00, PearlyGatez posts ante 30.00, KS248 posts ante 30.00, Dealone posts SB 125.00, Phlatout posts BB 250.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 555.00) AustinS89 has A 4

PearlyGatez raises to 472.00 and is all-in, fold, wrytoast calls 472.00, AustinS89 calls 472.00, fold, Phlatout calls 222.00

Flop: (2193.00, 4 players) T J 7
Phlatout raises to 2,443.00 and is all-in, fold, fold


Turn: (2193.00, 2 players) 4

River: (2193.00, 2 players) A

Phlatout shows 3 2 (High Card, Ace) (Pre 29%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
PearlyGatez shows 3 J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 71%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
PearlyGatez wins 2,193.00

No point shoving 72o when you get a call by BB 100% of the time is there? You don't know their hole cards.

Mind = blown on that last one tho yeah collusion or really stupid.

wtf does this mean? you don't know how to play dons or even poker for that matter do you?

I'm a LHE player, indeed don't play DoNs, probably am missing something here i guess.. i'll look over them again in a bit. I don't shove 72o vs a BB who has odds to call with any 2 though, it's a losing proposition in any case. (talking first hand posted btw)

You see collusion just because the BB gets folded to him? What if SB is holding 72o?

then u put him allin, period. you put the guy all-in if you've got a butterfinger and a snickers wrapper instead of cards. (stole marc alioto's line) there is no reason to ever fold from the btn or sb with a 4k stack to someone in the BB with less than 300 chips in a don. you want their chips in the middle and the cards flipped over, thats how you win.

I don't know how to play dons, chances are THEY don't know either though is all i'm saying.

Fold = give him chips, shove = give him chips aswell when u hold 72o, 53o, 62o etc. aswell, if he wins the showdown, you wouldn't be very happy either would u? you've now given him a stacksize he can very realistically win with.

can you please gtfo of my thread...i play these damn games for living i know when i'm being colluded against. i didn't post these hands to ask if they were collusion and have some troll try to argue a non-nonsensical point about a game he doesn't even know how to play optimally. i posted them to out these players screenames so you can watch out for them. i've also e-mailed support and told them i'd update this thread once i receive a response from them.

No need to be hostile. You have evidence, i'm sure they'll investigate, all i'm saying is they may just not know how to play the game, which in turn may look like collusion to you. Nothing more, nothing less. Collusion still remains perfectly possible aswell, just saying you should leave the other option open aswell rather than just state it's fact that they're colluding.

_I_ would fold 72o in the SB there. That alone pretty much makes my point valid.

_HE MIGHT TOO_

I've played a tonne of DoNs (before Stars got rid of them). The first hand I could easily see somebody doing without it being collusion. The second hand definitely sketchy. The third hand as well. No reason to shove 32o on the flop so something's definitely going on there.

My question for OP is on the third hand, why are u flatting with ur A4o in that spot with the big stack already in the hand? No reason to be putting 25% of ur stack in the pot on the bubble with 2 other similar size stacks still in the tourney. Yes, I know standard play in DoNs is to check it down on the bubble (implicit collusion) and you're hoping to get others in the pot to make it likely the shorty busts, but that's just a fold there. Let the big stack (or just somebody else who doesn't know better) bust the shorty. Do an ICM calc: http://www.chillin411.com/icmcalc.php. I'm willing to bet it's a fold.

I'm not sure of the exact calculations, but I'm very comfortable playing a 6 BB stack with 2 others ab my size at this table if my play doesn't work. It's worth the slightly negative expectation call to try to check down and win it right there. Worst case we're back on the bubble and I've still got an edge even being the shortstack.

What if you were the other guy and they both gave you walks? Would you create a thread about this?


Maybe they saw they were making the money anyways so they just put autofold on and let you and donkey dook it out?

Maybe they just don't like you.