Just putting the feelers out there.

I believe Two plus Two should not allow affiliate advertising of Lock Poker on their site after the recent problems which showcase some shady practices by Lock Poker. These include withdrawal/processing problems and delays, lack of any substantive customer service(including direct "player representation" from Lock on this sponsored forum), and the technical ineptitude of their software client, whether intentional or not. Accepting these affiliate ads reflects poorly on the forum.

Who is with me? or more importantly(a shorter list?), who thinks I'm in the wrong?

I'm in

wait for my cashout in LOCK.............
WTF

+1

In

Fully support, this network is ridiculous.

+1

I also have thought for a while that lock should not be able to advertise on 2p2 until we get a press release from Jen Larson herself, or something similar.

Lock has some serious explaining to do

problem is, it's kind of a vicious circle.

you're proposing lock be punished. That punishment consists in taking away their 2p2 advertising. The direct result of this will be less signups = less new money deposited = less revenue from new players paying rake.

So, if lock are indeed struggling (as many here seem to think), how will cutting off some off their revenue help?


On the other hand, if they aren't struggling it just means they're douchebags, right? So let's punish the douchebags right? Welll..... how big douchebags do you think they are? Are they douchebaggy enough so that if they're forced into a situation where their revenue is slowly but consistently dropping they could just decide to close up shop and run with the money?


A saying springs to mind here: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.





But, more importantly, let's look at this another way. Ignore all of the above, right? Let's say this petition gets going and gets enough signatures/+1s. Irrespective of the consequences, these are the facts:

- people have been complaining about lock poker for months, constantly and in many threads
- people will have started a petition asking 2p2 not to allow lock to advertise
- so many people 'signed' that the petition was successful


So, just like with the PPA, when something **** happens to poker players/when someone ****s on poker players, our reaction is to get mad and have someone do something for us. Yeah, that's the spirit!


How about not playing on lock anymore if you're so mad?
How about organizing mass sitouts?
How about starting threads aimed at getting lock players brainstorming other ways of "peaceful protest"?

In short, how about doing something other than crying on a forum asking mommy Sklansky/Malmuth to do something about the big bully?


Note: I'm not saying this thread shouldn't have been started. I have mixed opinions on that (see the first half of my post). What I am saying is that I'm sick and tired of reading this subforum, seeing everyone whining about this, that and well everything really, seeing shane's joke responses that would have had him kicked out of the PR department of any company worth its salt before he could even say "I've emailed the cashier manager asking him to look into this for you", yet all anyone seems to ever do is just keep complaining more, expecting that somehow, perhaps magically, shane will one day decide "hey, maybe today's the day I actually give some proper, honest answers to these folk or at least retain some dignity and quit my job working as a PR muppet for this money-hungry company that doesn't give a toss"


I mean, sorry, but what the hell do you expect? These guys treat their customers like **** and all their customers do is whine but keep coming back day after day, month after month? Of course they're gonna keep doing the exact same goddamn thing because it's making them money and after so many months it's become crystal ****ing clear to them: No matter how bad we treat our PAYING customers and how many blatant lies we tell, the morans will be back every single day paying us dollar after dollar after delicious green dollar of rake

And you know who's fault that is? Ours. Yours. Mine. Every single person's who reads this subforum or other poker forums and sees the **** going on yet keeps playing.

So if you're still playing on lock, stfu you have no leg to stand on. There are more than 2 other rev skins out there so it's not like there are no choices.

Mr. McNitt, thanks for your reply and analysis, it was very well thought out.

I don't consider this to be "crying to mommy". I know damn well that the more players who deposit the more likely I will receive the money that is in my account and owed to me.

This is more about integrity than anything else.

Yes, stupid people might click on a banner and deposit without reading these threads, and the dumber ones might read the threads and still click on the banner and deposit. We aren't saving the world here.

Im in

My problem with getting rid of the lock forum is what happens after. Now you would have no one answering questions. Even though I am still waiting for a response to my email from Shane.

i dont think he means getting rid of the subforum

he is just petitioning that 2+2 stops accepting advertisement dollars until lock improves in the areas stated in this thread

I think 2+2 should keep Lock poker ads on their site.



On the condition that they will get their money after a period of 50+ days.

^

grow up people

I'm against that idea.

Because as Mr.McNitt pointed out, I don't see it really helping. Being from MD, I am somewhat biased here. Revolution is the only network of even a decent size that I can play on. All I can really do is hope that they improve. Sure, there are other skins, but the best of them don't accept new US signups.

Also, I have to believe that Lock wants to improve. No matter how we villify them, they must know that they lose money everytime their servers crash. I think the same can be said for cashout timeframes.

This boycott or petition could only exasperate the situation. If you actually managed to put Lock out of business, (that is what you're talking about, right?) would another problem-free site rise to take it's place? It seems to me that if it were that easy, someone would already be doing that.

Again, I am admittedly biased. I am a winning, recreational player, I don't count on this to pay my bills. But you asked for my opinion, and now you have it.

Month after month the state of online poker gets worse and worse as players stand by doing nothing about it, so forgive some of us for seeing the pattern. Though there are other actions players could be considering, that doesn't make this any less of an action. If your worried about Lock failing and losing your poker funds then that's your own fault as you have had many months now where their incompetence towards running a poker site has been very much shown. Last i checked if a business fails then they should fail.

Months of seeing the problems, but also months to actually cash out and receive your funds to be gone.

No, the last thing I would want is for Lock to go out of business.

I can't disagree with this. I would like to continue to see signs of integrity from 2+2. That is all this is about.

Thanks for contributing!

I am against this. I just think there will be different views on this depending on the persons financial situation and if they actually make money on Lock. For people that rely on poker for income, then Lock is still the best option especially for cash game regs.

ACR, The Beast promo is terrible and really hurts into winrate and Merge cash games are dead. So, you can see why Lock still has customers even though cashout times are atrocious. IMO, other sites have to step it up.