i assume the people who theoretically make the top tier levels already have a multiple deposit bonuses stacked and were smart enough to not take rakeback but take vip blackelite. too lazy to calc at which point of ronin is lock losing money to players who play high volume but i think at those levels its for sure a lost for lock. so yes they have to budget losses for mid to high ronin levels atleast with their current reward scheme.

i also assume they did not budget for it/took a smart gamble cuz its almost physically impossible to achieve, not enough games 24/7, you would probably go broke playing so bad trying to get the last level, etc.

assuming they budgetted for losses for those high levels, then the lost there could be removed to fund the lower levels.

and yes these budgeted losses never get realized because of hte reasons i stated above for the last levels. but they were budgeted. which means they are ok with the lost. which means its money that can be injected into the first few levels to entice more rec players, fish to play at lock. its injecting money they already budgeted to be lost. i really think they didnt budget it tho as i wouldn't lol...


i may be wrong tho. anything wrong with my thinking?

you also have to realize that their breakeven point/point where they gain no revenue from a player is not at 100 perc rakeback. costs must be associated with support personnel, website design team, blackops lolusa cashout team, etc. the breakeven point is like at 90%. so the level at which ronin is a true lost to them is even lower.

I find this discussion very interesting. I am a recreational player (low volume) and I will continue to play on Lock for it's amazing value. 36% RB, cash for points, and deposit bonuses added together are more generous than any other site. They could remove Ronin completely and almost everyone would still play. It is an extra value for the heavy grinders and I don't mind one bit being excluded from that.

You had PREVIOUSLY given the grace period where "everyone got a little more."

And now: "its a genuine race."


This means it is NOT the same as the past months. Period.

You should not be saying that it is going to be the same when it is actually changing...as in, the grace period is being removed.

It would have been completely fine to say, "Ronin is staying for the upcoming month. One change to the promotion is that we will now be enforcing the max-number of players limits. So far, we have not done that. We will be adding a page on our website that will update everyone as to how many players have reached which level so that everyone knows. This will begin with the start of the new Ronin promo on August 1."


See? Simple. And lets everyone know. Instead of telling them that it is going to continue the exact same way as before when, actually, it isn't.


I don't think this is a giant deal or anything. I'm pretty forgiving of Lock mis-speaking on their own promos as are a lot of others I believe. But I do think you can learn from this. You just need to be careful on saying things such as it being the exact same when Lock had actually already decided on a change.

I seriously can't believe I need to directly advance the argument that "making a change means it is not exactly the same."

But you seem to actually be arguing, "we did keep it the same....all we did was make a change."

So do I have to do something on the site to sign up for 36% rakeback instead of VIP? I can't seem to find the option to switch.

email Shane or Rizen, think they can help

If you just email me your details I can take care of this for you.

Shane, any chance for clarification on the Lock Lotto Extreme promotion? Is it supposed to still be running as it is advertised on the web site? Specifically wondering about the monthly prize. As far as I know, the last award was for the month of April.

Three questions:

1. Where can I follow my own THEFUTURE bonus situation?
2. Where can I find some information about the new depositors freeroll? I cant find anything on lock homepage.
3. How do I qualify for the 110 seats to the 110K tournament, Is it for everybody? any information somewhere?

It is most likely that we will continue Ronin or replace Ronin with another new rake chase. We may however change this plan and stop running it.


I was told this morning it was ran but I check the twitter feed and the winner wanst announced so I have sought clarification on this.


1. You can check your bonus progress here: https://admin.lockpoker.eu/reports/bonuses
2. New depositors freerolls were a Merge promotion so we no longer have them
3. The 110 seats to the 110K is open to all players.

I'm a recreational player. I've not played online for some time because of the uncertainties with the sites.

I've been wanting to play online for the last month and I started looking at the sites available to US players.

Frankly after reading the 2+2 threads for the US facing sites I'm more uncertain than ever.

I don't care as much about ronin or rakeback as I do about the types of games available. Small buyin tournaments without rebuys, and low min buy ins for ring games.

While I understand that payouts are difficult to US players I would expect there to be good communication between the site and the player about the transaction status.

I don't mind losing money to a better player however I think huds are an unfair advantage. I believe the sites should either display that a player is using a bud or have some tables where they are not allowed.

Just some suggestions from a recreational fish ....

Any word on when the Lock Lotto grand prize (Ducati) is being distributed for July?

yeah seriously i got my m1 but no bike so ill take it

that feeling when you rake over $25 every day but took Aug. 1st and 2nd off

Promos are great but they are pointless if you can't cashout. Fix your cashout issues(Non US cashouts should not take longer than 3 days) even if it means dropping Ronin and/or other promos.

You still haven't heard anything about this?