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05-17-2013 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
Shane,

how are current Cake cashout problems connected to Lock?
Just to let you know, I am speaking to someone that might have some info regarding your question. When I hear from him I will pass it along since I had the same question as you.
05-17-2013 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
Shane please forgive me if this is a ridiculous question but as you can see this is my first post on 2+2 as I may be lacking in knowledge from prior post. Is it an acceptable action from Lock for me or any other player to sell Lock dollars at a discounted rate of return for the obvious reasons of quicker returns. I am currently waiting on a $2,000.00 WU withdrawal and am curious to know if this is an option that I can pursue without having to worry about any discipline from Lock. I'm sure you can imagine how difficult a decision it would be to take the kind of loss I have been seeing on some of these trades posted on 2+2 but under the circumstances I feel that I have been offered little to no options from Lock basically forcing me to take notice of these offers. I understand to a certain degree that under the U.S. circumstances that delays are inevitable but I can not understand for the life of me why Lock has not been able to deal with us on a case by case basis keeping us closely individually informed on an approximated arrival date of our funds. Just so you understand I joined 2+2 just to talk to you because I could not communicate with the equivalent of a Shane directly through MY poker site.
Players are free to trade off funds, we dont restrict that for a player.

Though its our job to get cashout times down so that you dont need to do this, it really should be only if you are trying to move off amounts bigger than the limits put in place by our processors.

We are working through the backlog now and working on keeping the momentum rolling so our cashout times can come down and we can reduce players reliance on player trades to cashout.


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Originally Posted by Cogitus
Shane,

What happened to the exclusive cashout options that were promised and were supposed to go live March 1st? Was anyone able to use this, and if so, who did and what are the requirements?
There was some small scale testing but it didnt make it into general use.

We continue to explore new options similar to this and are working to add to our processing arsenal.


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Originally Posted by chopsy2
Shane, I think you should check out jhubs blog july 2011.He clearly states the details about the retreat BEFORE the trip happens. So your statement clearly doesn't hold water.
JHub didnt say where it was nor exactly when it was. Here is his post from before the trip: http://jhubpoker.blogspot.com/2011/0...o-retreat.html

He did however post pictures that could have identified where we were going, if we had seen this beforehand we would have asked him to take it down. We were under strict instructions not to disclose the details of the event to anyone.


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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
Shane,

how are current Cake cashout problems connected to Lock?
No. There was a rumour that we were not up to date with our payments to the network, but this is not true.


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Originally Posted by CwazyMonter
This statement is a problem. It is a microcosm of the overall problem the entire community has with Lock....Lock's lack of transparency. Simply put, the community never knows when Lock is:

(1) Being truthful,

OR

(2) "Deflecting"

OR

(3) "Directly Lying"
In this case my credibility was less important than the security of our owner and management team.
05-17-2013 , 04:16 PM
Shane do you have contact with the processors or not? why are people getting paid in 2 weeks from western union and im still waiting from January 5th? couldnt you just contact the processor and get MTCN's for those of us that have been waiting over 4 months?

\you have to realize how frustrating it is to see people get paid in less than a month when ive been waiting this long
05-17-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Im not aware of the Cake groups ownership and cant comment there, but there is definitely not anyone from the Cake team who owns a piece of Lock.
cake is part owned by pokerlistings

http://www.pokerlistings.com/pokerli...tnership-57037

i even weas thinking that they ( Lock ) own a part or the whole network ...
05-17-2013 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by doodysocks3
Shane do you have contact with the processors or not? why are people getting paid in 2 weeks from western union and im still waiting from January 5th? couldnt you just contact the processor and get MTCN's for those of us that have been waiting over 4 months?

\you have to realize how frustrating it is to see people get paid in less than a month when ive been waiting this long
This happens because of using multiple processors. If we are still waiting on a processor to send out funds for a batch and we send a new batch to a new processor the new batch can go out faster than the outstanding cashouts.
05-17-2013 , 04:55 PM
When do you expect the next batch of WU MTCN's to be issued?
05-17-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
When do you expect the next batch of WU MTCN's to be issued?
Early next week
05-17-2013 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
This happens because of using multiple processors. If we are still waiting on a processor to send out funds for a batch and we send a new batch to a new processor the new batch can go out faster than the outstanding cashouts.
That didnt answer my question. do you or dont you have contact with the processors? why arent you able to contact them and say, "hey one of our players has been waiting since jan 5th, why havent you sent the MTCN yet?"
05-17-2013 , 06:18 PM
Shane, true or false support is handled by either partially or fully by the network.
05-17-2013 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by doodysocks3
That didnt answer my question. do you or dont you have contact with the processors? why arent you able to contact them and say, "hey one of our players has been waiting since jan 5th, why havent you sent the MTCN yet?"
I dont personally, the cashier team does.

We regularly do exactly that, the responses we get back aren't always as direct as we would like but we get what information we can and we pass it onto the players.


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Originally Posted by chopsy2
Shane, true or false support is handled by either partially or fully by the network.
There is a network support team and we have our own in-house support team. We use both of these teams to cover our players.
05-17-2013 , 08:42 PM
Whens the next Neteller batch?
Have you confirmed with support if Ill be in this one.
05-17-2013 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by trubbluffer
20k? They gave away 100 seats. They lost almost 40k this tourney. That won't be helping cash out times.
Shane is this true? If so, what are Locks plans to get the site back on track? Referring to Locks brand credibility with players!
05-17-2013 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Quote:
Originally Posted by CwazyMonter
This statement is a problem. It is a microcosm of the overall problem the entire community has with Lock....Lock's lack of transparency. Simply put, the community never knows when Lock is:

(1) Being truthful,

OR

(2) "Deflecting"

OR

(3) "Directly Lying"
In this case my credibility was less important than the security of our owner and management team.

Your credibility is important because you are the public spokesman for Lock on 2+2.

Your credibility = Lock's credibility, especially when speaking about Lock-related matters.

So if you lie (which you blatantly did, regarding Portugal), that makes Lock a site managed by liars.

How do you not see this is a problem?

Oh, and can you point to a single controversy where Lock has been transparent and honest?

Lock lied about the Girah scandal.

Lock lied about the Casino Bonus scandal.

Lock still has not told the truth about the reason for the canceled cashouts. (How were active grinders singled out as "mule accounts"?)

Lock (you) lied about Portugal.

Lock lies about cashout times (see the support reps telling people "4-6 weeks" when cashouts were taking 4-5 months.)

Give me an example where Lock is credible.

I just gave you a lot of examples where Lock constantly lies.

I guess you're the perfect spokesman for them, since you seem to lie so often that I believe you actually get off on doing it.
05-17-2013 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
As for the Portugal comment Im far from embarrassed. It was my job to deflect that, it was important that we didnt have public discussions on where the entire team was. Thankfully your information was slightly off stating that it had started something like 4 days prior when in fact we had only just arrived in Portugal so I used that as a way to deflect rather than be forced into a direct lie.

I didnt like having to mislead the community but it was more important that we didnt publicise the fact that our management and partners were all meeting together. This was no different to the first retreat a couple of years ago, the details remained secret till after the event.
You said this:

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Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources. While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.

My statement was completely accurate, aside from the extremely minor detail as to when the retreat began.

Your reply accusing my post "severely lacking in actual facts" is definitely saying that I was incorrect, when in fact I was almost entirely correct (and the one detail I got wrong was inconsequential.)

BOTTOM LINE: You lied.

05-18-2013 , 12:24 AM
See, another lie.

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/loc...at-100311.html

That article, while it says it can't talk about details, it clearly confirms the first retreat ongoing while it was happening.

I bet if you look for other things like this, you can find them too (this took 2 minutes to find).

So when you say you had to deflect, that the first meeting was no different than the last one, you mean that the first meeting was no different from this one, except that this time you couldn't confirm it was happening while it was happening, unlike the last one, and so you had to pretend it was not.

C'mon Shane...
05-18-2013 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
...As for the Portugal comment Im far from embarrassed. It was my job to deflect that, it was important that we didnt have public discussions on where the entire team was. Thankfully your information was slightly off stating that it had started something like 4 days prior when in fact we had only just arrived in Portugal so I used that as a way to deflect rather than be forced into a direct lie...

path·o·log·i·cal (pth-lj-kl) also path·o·log·ic (-k)
adj.
1. Of or relating to pathology.
2. Relating to or caused by disease.
3. Of, relating to, or manifesting behavior that is habitual, maladaptive, and compulsive: a pathological liar.
05-18-2013 , 02:01 AM
The idea that the Lock promotional retreat needed the security of a G12 summit is pretty funny. What were you worried about, that your players would find out where you were and come demand their money personally?
05-18-2013 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tapirboy
The idea that the Lock promotional retreat needed the security of a G12 summit is pretty funny. What were you worried about, that your players would find out where you were and come demand their money personally?
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they were worried about.
05-18-2013 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
Jennifer Larson stated that Lock can't be audited because she could not find an auditing firm that would both guarantee confidentiality (even if the DOJ demanded info) and was willing to take on a gambling site as a customer.

If I could locate such an auditing firm willing to keep confidentiality and take the job, would Jennifer agree to an audit?

Please run this question by her, and then I will publicly provide you with the names of at least three auditing firms that are willing to abide by these terms and take the job.

(BTW, don't just say "I'll pass it along to her" and then ignore it. I will keep bringing this up. You know I will!)
Shane, can you answer this question for your customers please? It is the most important question in the thread and I would like an answer please.

If the answer is no, then you are listening to your players and asking the questions we want asked on our behalf. We will be disappointed, and we can draw our own conclusions.

If the answer is yes and the audit occurs and shows that Lock does have player funds segregated, i'm sure everyone (myself included) who is skeptical about Lock's liquidity will no longer have those concerns and those of us with funds on the site will be more tolerant as you get cashout times back to normal if we know the money is there.

I will personally deposit four figures on Lock and begin playing there if the audit shows Lock keeps player funds segregated. So will a lot of other people. It's good for business.
05-18-2013 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
See, another lie.

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/loc...at-100311.html

That article, while it says it can't talk about details, it clearly confirms the first retreat ongoing while it was happening.

I bet if you look for other things like this, you can find them too (this took 2 minutes to find).

So when you say you had to deflect, that the first meeting was no different than the last one, you mean that the first meeting was no different from this one, except that this time you couldn't confirm it was happening while it was happening, unlike the last one, and so you had to pretend it was not.

C'mon Shane...
Sorry I should have been clearer, it wasnt the fact that the retreat was mentioned that was the problem.

But the post from Kilowatt gave the location and pointed out we were all there at that exact time.

If someone had leaked that information during the France trip it would have been the exact same situation.

Its obvious people will find out about it after the fact, but all people attending are under strict instructions from our legal department not to disclose the location and timing of the event so that the location and timing of the event isn't known until after the event.

From the email from our legal deptartment:
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While there will be some PR about the event after it is over we do not want the location and timing to be made public beforehand.
If Todd had posted that there was a Lock retreat going on that would have been fine, but he disclosed both the location and the fact that we were currently there

Last edited by imjustshane; 05-18-2013 at 08:20 AM. Reason: Fixing the sentence Chinamaniac pointed out.
05-18-2013 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
Sorry I should have been clearer, it wasnt the fact that the retreat was mentioned that was the problem.

But the post from Kilowatt gave the location and pointed out we were all there at that exact time.

If someone had leaked that information during the France trip it would have been the exact same situation.

Its obvious people will find out about it, all people attending are under strict instructions from our legal department not to disclose the location and timing of the event.

From the email from our legal deptartment:


If Todd had posted that there was a Lock retreat going on that would have been fine, but he disclosed both the location and the fact that we were currently there
05-18-2013 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chinamaniac
....yeah, and the flower department gave strict orders everyone had to wear roses in their hair!!!



Shane, how about answering the questions in the posting above??
05-18-2013 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tapirboy
The idea that the Lock promotional retreat needed the security of a G12 summit is pretty funny. What were you worried about, that your players would find out where you were and come demand their money personally?
Not at all, my location is very well known Im not hiding. However when our entire management team as well as our software providers and other partners are all in the one place and all in the business of serving US customers then it is much better to be too careful rather than not careful enough.


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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Shane, can you answer this question for your customers please? It is the most important question in the thread and I would like an answer please.

If the answer is no, then you are listening to your players and asking the questions we want asked on our behalf. We will be disappointed, and we can draw our own conclusions.

If the answer is yes and the audit occurs and shows that Lock does have player funds segregated, i'm sure everyone (myself included) who is skeptical about Lock's liquidity will no longer have those concerns and those of us with funds on the site will be more tolerant as you get cashout times back to normal if we know the money is there.

I will personally deposit four figures on Lock and begin playing there if the audit shows Lock keeps player funds segregated. So will a lot of other people. It's good for business.
Jen wasn't lying about the risk being to great. I saw someone else ask if any other US facing room would submit to this, no one would.

And Todd's insistance that he could find an auditing firm to do it is laughable. With his personal track record and untrustworthy associates he is the last person we would trust with such a delicate matter.

What you have to remember is that this audit would provide a road map to every single cent of every single players funds. If the wrong person gets a hold of that then a police department like the one in Maryland would be holding a very large check with all our players funds in it, at which point all the players would be then asking us for their money back. We just cant take that risk with your money.
05-18-2013 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
We just cant take that risk with your money.

Wow, i really hope this does not become your most quoted line in a few month!

      
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