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Originally Posted by clowntable
We're derailing the thread quite a bit but I don't think a comparison of programming to poker is bad since it may be interesting for many poker players that are looking to make the switch etc.
Indeed, sorry about that, I was skimming through a few threads and saw the post that I initially quoted, it made me do a bit of a double-take.
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I know 100k is very much possible but I'd argue that your statement that you can learn all you need in a week is complete nonsense. Granted I play cash games (or played it's mostly a fun hobby now) but it is very much the case that you keep learning constantly. Flopzilla ranges over and over read/post/analyze hands etc.
I hate to be making this so self-centered, but I only know my own experiences in learning/teaching the game.
It took me roughly a week from "I know what a Big blind is" to get to the point where I was comfortably making $20-25/hr.
It took me about a month to get to $50-60/hr.
In that time, I didn't use any external software as a learning tool other than pokerstove. I think people put way too much emphasis on tools like flopzilla/SnGwiz etc. and as a result they never learn the underlying fundamentals involved(which you get a very good grasp of by doing the calculations yourself.)
I think learning poker is a lot like learning programming, if you learn through the standardized template, you will never get to the point where innovation(lets be honest, innovation is the reason why you love coding, making **** work in ways that you never thought you could) happens naturally.
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Kind of hard for me to imagine knowing nothing about poker but I'd say to become a +EV player from knowing nothing at cash games it takes vastly > one week.
I've done this with 2 students so far, from 0 knowledge of NLHE(They played 5 card draw when they were kids so they had a basic knowledge of hand rankings) to +EV at low stakes MTSNG. It's not difficult, it just requires motivation, I'm sure you would say that programming is the same. Accelerated learning is possible as long as you are willing to put some effort in.
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The most important thing however is growth potential. I'd guestimate that somewhere around 100k there's a pretty solid brick wall for most poker players that is fairly hard to overcome (maybe at 150k). Less games, less fish, tougher opponents. Programming there's pretty much no limitation to growth since you can always try to build your own company etc.
I disagree, I'm sure you can figure out why based on my previous arguments so I'll leave it at that.