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06-05-2016 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
any good tutorials on the topic you guys can recommend?
Codecademy has one.

Also, just make some small projects and work with several branches, pushing and faux-pulling, etc. Make intentional mistakes you have to roll back and so on.
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06-05-2016 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i see my work here is done...
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06-05-2016 , 10:04 PM
say i want to learn all the javascript, where is the place to do that? assume I have 'javascript, the good parts', but i also want to learn react(/native), node, maybe backbone, not angular, and maybe like express or meteor?

How do I do that? Preferably in what order.
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06-06-2016 , 01:57 PM
How Web Dev position compares to Software Dev position? Demand and salary wise?

Would I be correct to assume that to be qualified for SD position you need to have a bigger array of skills and those skills are harder to learn?
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06-06-2016 , 02:28 PM
what part of web dev isn't software dev?
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06-06-2016 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
what part of web dev isn't software dev?
I'm not expert, but from browsing job listings SD required Java/C++/C# and other stuff that I don't know of, while WD mostly required RoR, HTML5, CSS3 and JS.
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06-06-2016 , 02:52 PM
Other than html & css those are all turing complete programming languages/frameworks that are of similar complexity. Maybe not C++.
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06-06-2016 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
Other than html & css those are all turing complete programming languages/frameworks that are of similar complexity. Maybe not C++.
Take it from someone whose proficiency is limited to hello world and some counting (basically zero knowledge).

I have no idea what is happening when looking at c++ code and I usually get an idea or know for sure when looking at ruby. So yeah, maybe not
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06-06-2016 , 03:52 PM
You can make the same money at either. I think front-end (what you're calling web dev) might be a little hotter right now. Mostly I would just go with whichever you like more.
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06-06-2016 , 03:55 PM
Web development is a subset of software development. Every software job has specific skills you need to know or learn. HTML, CSS, JS are skills a web dev must know (and usually a few other things, which vary).

If you are doing some non-web kind of software development, then there are other things you need to know.

But mostly, you just need to understand how computers and programming languages work, and then it's not so hard to learn new ones. I've been working as a software developer for about 20 years, and I know 5 or 6 languages very very well, and a dozen more I know OK (some of them I knew better at some point in the past). Don't get too attached to a programming language, most of them do not really last.
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06-06-2016 , 04:23 PM
We hire a lot of front end "script kids" who basically have no back end experience at all. I am exception as I've worked as a full stack engineer and Java dev for a long time. In the corporate world I think that kind of stratification is the norm.
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06-07-2016 , 12:23 AM
Well, that sure sounds reassuring, even though I was thinking about becoming Full Stack. Making stuff click is what is most interesting for me. Thank you guys

And one more thing, can I ask you to check my thread about schools and perhaps share your view on that?
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06-07-2016 , 12:41 AM
i'm not sure we have many euros here. I think there's an amount of canadians, an aussie, and most of the rest are americans. i would be a little surprised if anyone had heard anything about any of the programs you listed. sorry
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06-07-2016 , 01:31 AM
actually had fun programming at work today, something I don't get to do very often.

wrote a script to check images uploaded by users for nudity.
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06-07-2016 , 02:12 AM
Need to demo some of the projects I have made. Looking for a screen recorder that can record a portion of my screen with the intentions of uploading the videos to YouTube. Any recommendations? (free is ideal, 5 or 10 min limit is fine with me).
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06-07-2016 , 02:15 AM
https://obsproject.com/

Free, no watermarks, unlimited time, lots of options.
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06-07-2016 , 06:43 AM
OBS is great for doing the recording (or streaming) but if you plan to do any type of editing you'll need additional software.

Goto tools for that are Camtasia (Windows) and Screenflow (OSX), they do both recording and editing. Both are paid but have 30 day free trials, so you should be able to finish what you're doing within that period of time.
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06-07-2016 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blacklab
actually had fun programming at work today, something I don't get to do very often.

wrote a script to check images uploaded by users for nudity.
Details? Sounds like you're either using some existing ML algorithm already or this was more of a ML task than programming one...?
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06-07-2016 , 10:55 AM
of course I cheat, I'm a perl programmer

If there is something you need to do in perl, there's a pretty good chance there is a CPAN module for it, in this case Imager::SkinDetector

seems to work pretty good on the images I've tested

I guess I actually did 1 hour ****ing around with javascript tools that all sucked, 1 minute to find perl modules, 5 minutes installing modules, 8 hours finding images to test with, 5 minutes of coding.
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06-07-2016 , 10:56 AM
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06-07-2016 , 11:09 AM
Cool. Yea I def wouldn't call it cheating, just was curious what you actually implemented. Sounds good!
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06-07-2016 , 11:22 AM
It feels like everyone is ignoring the whole "I got to spend a day looking at porn and getting paid for it" aspect of this story, and I'm not sure why.
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06-07-2016 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
say i want to learn all the javascript, where is the place to do that? assume I have 'javascript, the good parts', but i also want to learn react(/native), node, maybe backbone, not angular, and maybe like express or meteor?

How do I do that? Preferably in what order.
Hmm good question. I think code school or codecademy is a pretty good starting point to start learning it. After that Scotch.io has a lot of good tutorials. If you are learning Node, you are likely going to use express as well. Haven't really ever used Node without Express. React imo is a quite a pain to start learning. You really want to use it with JSX which requires using something like webpack with babel in order to compile it into ES5. The setup is not that trivial if you are first starting out. From there you are likely going to have to learn something like flux or redux. If you just want to get a bit of an intro, facebook has a very good tutorial https://facebook.github.io/react/docs/tutorial.html

Why no Angular? Angular imo is great. It is easy to set up, there is tons of material on it, it has a lot of great built in functionality, tons of places use it, ect. If I could choose which framework I would work in I would choose Angular. Scotch.io sells an ebook for like $30 I think is quite good that takes you through the MEAN stack that I think is worth it, but not strictly necessary with the amount of free stuff out there. I think it is good in that it gives you a sense of how a fullstack application works, rather than learning disjointed pieces. Even if you aren't going to read any of the Angular parts it will teach you Node/Express. I used there tutorials so much that I felt bad not paying anything/shamelessly promoting them. Codecademy Angular track is sponsored by google so it is free and it is really good. All that being said, some people hated Angular, I seemed to be in the minority preferring Angular to React.

I don't like backbone and most people I was learning with did not like it either. One guy really liked it though. One thing I would recommend is picking one framework and getting very good at it. More important imo to be good at one then decent at all.

Whatever you learn, better to get good at one then be decent at all. If I were learning from scratch I would do Codecademy Angular Track -> Scotch.io Ebook -> 3 or so Scotch.io tutorials -> pick something fun and easy to build -> more tutorials from any source -> build slightly harder stuff ->

If you are going to go the React Route. Facebook tutorial-> find some good articles (did not think scotch.io had good React ones, would look elsewhere) -> learn node -> figure out how to get webpack or whatever else to work -> build something without redux -> watch Dan Abramovs and do his tutorial on Redux -> Start building with redux.

This is what works for me, but obviously modify it to suit your style/learning.
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06-07-2016 , 12:45 PM
Cheers, thank you sir. Good to hear what someone who learned it recently thinks. ^_^

Edit

I had started the codecademy angular tutorial before, but either it was broken at the time or some section was so unclear about what to do that I stopped

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06-07-2016 , 02:02 PM
da fuq is wrong with kids these days?

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and the only good one
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