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04-02-2012, 02:27 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by myNameIsInga
Seems Im the only one who dislikes Unity, would have thought that was the kind of thing that people either love or hate...
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Everyone I know including myself hates it. Thankfully there are plenty of alternatives
I still remember how shocked I was when I first saw it because I hadn't kept up with Ubuntu and just DLded the latest iso
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04-02-2012, 02:53 PM
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#77
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
+1 for the Intel compiler and I've found similar 15-20% boosts with the C++ compiler for a lot of stuff.
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Does it offer boosts on AMD processors as well? A lot of tests show Intel only and I've been told Intel write the compiler to take advantage of Intel specific quirks.
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04-02-2012, 02:56 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Does it offer boosts on AMD processors as well? A lot of tests show Intel only and I've been told Intel write the compiler to take advantage of Intel specific quirks.
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I've never tried it, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.
Juk
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04-02-2012, 04:56 PM
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veteran
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Everyone I know including myself hates it. Thankfully there are plenty of alternatives
I still remember how shocked I was when I first saw it because I hadn't kept up with Ubuntu and just DLded the latest iso
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I cant stand it. Tho for a non technical user I can see it being easier to use.
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04-02-2012, 06:52 PM
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Retired
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
Flash. Not the swf files, but Adobe Flash the make stuff version. Worst "IDE" I've ever used
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04-02-2012, 07:38 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
microsoft 'ribbon' UI
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04-02-2012, 07:56 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
I don't hate the ribbon as much as everyone else seems to.
I'd never used Word before last year though so I can imagine it would be a majorly annoying change if you were used to the regular menu interface.
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04-02-2012, 08:13 PM
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grinder
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by myNameIsInga
Jason, do you know of any other good resources for learning more about optimizing C++?
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hmm.. i cant think of much publicly available stuff, but one thing that springs to mind is this site by a tech director at Insomniac Games:
http://cellperformance.beyond3d.com/articles/
Its kind of a mish-mash of articles, seems to no longer be updated, and much of it is targeted at coding for the "Cell" processor in the PS3... but even if the specific details dont apply to your platform of choice, I think the articles are a great illustration of the kind of thought processes that lead to highly optimized code.
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Does it offer boosts on AMD processors as well? A lot of tests show Intel only and I've been told Intel write the compiler to take advantage of Intel specific quirks.
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There are some compiler switches that trigger some Intel CPU specific optimizations or generate Intel CPU specific code-paths... but they are optional. For code that I write that is destined for public consumption (like SnG Solver), I do not use them. I have both Intel and AMD CPU'd systems that I test on and binaries compiled by Intel outperform other compilers on both systems.
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Originally Posted by greg nice
microsoft 'ribbon' UI
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omg this +111111
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04-02-2012, 10:12 PM
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
I think the ribbon UI is pretty outstanding, tbh. It was a tough adjustment, but once I "got it", I really liked it.
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04-03-2012, 12:06 AM
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old hand
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by sng_jason
And to bring it back to the topic... SourceSafe is the worst. 
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Bad memories here.
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Originally Posted by myNameIsInga
On topic - I name Unity, the new Ubuntu ****. It turned a beautiful thing in to a steaming pile smelly stuff
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I'm torn on Unity. Its buggy but i've become reasonably productive once I adjusted and found equivalent features to what I was doing previously.
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04-03-2012, 01:42 AM
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S.A.G.E. Master
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
I think the ribbon UI is pretty outstanding, tbh. It was a tough adjustment, but once I "got it", I really liked it.
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Pretty much this^. Microsoft took a pretty big risk with that idea, but it really was a correct thing to do. What I do hate is that the defaults are set to the worst possible fonts, double-\n, and all sorts of strange stuff. After adjusting the default copy/paste settings, etc, it really is a decent piece of software.
Since everyone is on command-line stuff, I'll stick my vote in for IDLE. Seriously Python dev's, wtf?
Situation:
When I first began learning file I/O, I ran an output script to a file, I wrote it in IDLE, hit F5, and lo and behold, the thing stalled out after 300 lines or so, leaving me to wonder how I was going to get the other 200 lines into the file.
Other things that come to mind: bonkers results with code, forget running any program that is longer than 50 lines long, lest it crashes and freezes.
No line numbering? Really?
I'm sure someone will politely mention that there is a way to change the settings to fix the above issues, but that's just stupid if it's available and not default.
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04-03-2012, 03:54 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
I think the ribbon UI is pretty outstanding, tbh. It was a tough adjustment, but once I "got it", I really liked it.
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Originally Posted by daveT
Pretty much this^. Microsoft took a pretty big risk with that idea, but it really was a correct thing to do.
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No no no, it was a terrible choice given their business. Even if something allows a power user to work a little faster, doesn't mean it's not a terrible idea to foist upon tens of millions of casual users. Imagine if Dell told companies they were upgrading their hardware and took everyone's keyboard and gave them a Dvorak. To not leave the traditional menu style as the default would've been bad enough, but to remove it entirely was just awful.
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04-03-2012, 04:20 AM
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old hand
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
No no no, it was a terrible choice given their business. Even if something allows a power user to work a little faster, doesn't mean it's not a terrible idea to foist upon tens of millions of casual users. Imagine if Dell told companies they were upgrading their hardware and took everyone's keyboard and gave them a Dvorak. To not leave the traditional menu style as the default would've been bad enough, but to remove it entirely was just awful.
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I think we need to call the analogy police.
Assuming that people have to actually purchase an update then:
Mice with scroll-wheels, floppy-desks, ISA, PATA HDDs, and default crapware would all appear to be equivalent.
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04-03-2012, 04:38 AM
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adept
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
When Ribbon first showed up my reaction was: What the f is this ****, what the f have you done to the program you morons. But now after having learned how to use it, which is a fairly quick process, I think its alot better than the old one and think its much better than for example Open Office
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04-03-2012, 06:20 AM
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Retired
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Re: Software Hall of Shame - Your picks
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
No no no, it was a terrible choice given their business. Even if something allows a power user to work a little faster, doesn't mean it's not a terrible idea to foist upon tens of millions of casual users. Imagine if Dell told companies they were upgrading their hardware and took everyone's keyboard and gave them a Dvorak. To not leave the traditional menu style as the default would've been bad enough, but to remove it entirely was just awful.
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Now you're venturing in to whether it was a good business move, which is an entirely separate debate from whether or not it's good software.
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