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ok, i have started learning rails, in the same boat as many here. one thing i noticed, most gems are not being kept update and we are talking Rails 4 here, not even Rails 5. when i want to add something with js it is much more tedious figuring out how i implement it into rails as opposed to if i had just written the whole page in js. and searching online, again, often crickets for a lot of stuff integrating jquery plugins into rails. just saying.

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08-28-2016 , 10:48 PM

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Loki

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Yeah, I did a project that needs jquery for bootstrap iirc, it was a huge pita to get working.

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08-30-2016 , 08:43 AM

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SurfsUp949

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I want to learn HTML, CSS, and JS online (free), with the intent of getting an internship or better yet an EL job. Which site would you recommend?

I've looked at codeacademy and W3schools so far. In w3schools they have a "try it yourself" feature with their editor but the tags are already inserted for you. Do they expect you to delete those tags and redo it yourself, or simply view how they've done it? It isn't very clear to me. I'd rather write them in myself as I feel that's a better way to learn.

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08-30-2016 , 10:53 AM

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check udacity and coursera as well as codecademy

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08-30-2016 , 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfsUp949

There used to be a website completely denouncing the teaching at w3schools.

I think this is it or its current incarnation:
http://www.w3fools.com/

W3schools must have upped it's game but on that page there are also places for learning html/css.

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08-30-2016 , 02:44 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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JavaScript and jquery by Jon Ducket is good quick read. I haven't watched any js videos yet so I can't compare book/video.

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08-30-2016 , 03:13 PM

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TheAlmighty1ne

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Originally Posted by SurfsUp949

Freecodecamp has all of these things for free. Supposedly over 2,000 people have gotten jobs just from their curriculum.

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08-30-2016 , 03:33 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by SurfsUp949

best thing to do is to write stuff yourself. so, for html/css/js, you could build a website. start simple. then look around and try to incorporate stuff from other websites. really, the best way is to get some direction from someone experienced so you can build on concepts but there is plenty of information out there so you can do it on your own.

I really dont like the fill in the blank type sites like codeacademy. maybe find a site that gives recommendations for types of websites and how to incorporate stuff.

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08-30-2016 , 09:35 PM

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michael hartl online book does a great job of laying out some programming and html/css/bootstrap stuff. long, but in depth

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08-31-2016 , 06:44 AM

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Interesting perspective! That never occurred to me but it sounds logical enough. I'm not sure it will work for a total novice such as myself though. Would it be advisable to get an overview of html, css, and js first? Before peeking into one of the html courses offered online a couple of days ago, I wouldn't have known what <!DOCTYPE html> even meant. So at what point could I try to build something simple, while referencing the online schools to assist me in the effort? I agree that rolling up one's sleeves and building things is a highly effective learning tool. So I'm all aboard on getting to that point ASAP, I just don't want to jeopardize my learning by not being sufficiently prepared if you kwim.

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08-31-2016 , 07:02 AM

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you'll see the boilerplate crap enough that i wouldn't worry too much about learning it properly. If you end up making a lot of web sites/apps, that is.

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08-31-2016 , 07:51 AM

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Everyone has to learn syntax and semantics but unfortunately that's where a lot of the free training stops.

Not only does building something allow you to continually practice the syntax and semantics, you'll also be using the languages as they were meant to be used - i.e. to build things.

I can't imagine the hell where you would be required to type fresh boilerplate constantly that was only to fulfill the training requirements to move on to the next lesson :-)

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08-31-2016 , 03:12 PM

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So I am actually doing that now. I had an idea for an actual web app and now I am building it. One thing I will say, this is infinitely slower because you are customizing everything. Learning how to do X by watching a railscast video is one thing. Learning how to do x and y is totally different category. It is much much, much slower. I am hoping my web app is a huge success but if it is not, I am not 100% sure if this was the best use of time... and how well this looks on an interview as opposed to having just gone through every tutorial available on the internet without ever trying to build anything customized on your own + studying/memorizing algorithm problems which I have currently done zero.

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08-31-2016 , 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Sure there is a balancing act. Part of being able to solve problems that involve computation is understanding how to break larger problems down into problems that have already been solved before.

But in practice if you can't put code down that actually functions you're not really better off. So you have to find the happy medium of learning how to think and reason as a programmer and learning how to use the tools of your craft to actually solve problems.

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08-31-2016 , 10:20 PM

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You will never get an interview by showing off your codecademy account and all the tutorials you've done.

You might be able to get an interview with some actual products.

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09-01-2016 , 12:10 AM

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well, i meant just doing the tutorials and creating projects like rails tutorial which can easily be made to look slightly different, change model names, change front end, etc... as opposed to having something more customized/involved. i have no idea how they go about filtering candidates for interviews.

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09-01-2016 , 01:06 AM

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Like Noodles says you won't even get an interview without being able to build anything. Most, All? interview I have had they have asked me what I built that I am most proud of.

But I think this kind of thinking is missing the big picture. It is more important to actually be able to the job then it is to get it. It is like getting a bus driving job because you know all the rules and regulations but you can't drive. Things would not go well.

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09-01-2016 , 01:37 AM

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I am really in the dark about the interview process. So I sit down. Will I be able to get a chance to take them through my project and show them features, how I decided to do things, why I did them that way, things I had trouble with, show them the way I approach it, show them my tests, that my code has no bugs, that it is responsive?

i was under the impression from what i have read that it was weighted heavily very towards interview questions ala crack the coding interview.

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09-01-2016 , 02:50 AM

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The interview questions are at the last stage of the process and they are heavily weighted toward coding questions. But before it even gets to that stage, especially for someone without dev experience they will likely have you do a coding challenge. That involves them giving you features and you building a small app that satisfies those requirements. At the interview you will likely be asked many questions about it.

For example I had 2 onsite interviews, both involved me building something, and both spent about 45 minutes of the 3 hours going through my project and my code asking questions. I did all those things you mentioned, plus they asked me additional questions like how would you scale it, what additional tests could you use, what security issues does it have, what happens if 2 people decide to save at the same time ect.

Almost everywhere I have come across has asked me questions about the favorite thing I have built. They ask it both during the initial phone screens and at both onsites. I believe they are trying to get the sense if you enjoy building things and are excited about the stuff you built. Also it is a good chance for them to learn about something cool.

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09-08-2016 , 10:54 PM

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...o-old-for-this

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09-22-2016 , 05:37 PM

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In the first week of my job. We are either at 100% now or there is one person still looking.

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01-11-2017 , 06:25 PM

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Odin/Viking moving from Rails to full-stack JavaScript

https://www.vikingcodeschool.com/pos...king-immersive

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01-11-2017 , 09:54 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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Not a good look for Rails.

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01-11-2017 , 10:39 PM

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Loki

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It had seemed like rails boot camps weren't doing so well lately with placement. Part of the reason I decided not to do one. Hack reactor was one of the few JS ones, but they charge upfront, unlike Viking.

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