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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Since Greg obviously won't explain himself, could someone else take a crack at explaining this to me?
because ive explained it already and you just either arent reading it or fundamentally disagree. the problem may be because you and i have a different view on the current state of reality. you seem to think that everyone currently accepts and allows harassment and that's why these codes are necessary.
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
You miss the point of the code. It's just like laws. Laws don't really do much to prevent crime but they let people know what society expects of them and lays out the potential consequences for their actions when they fail to follow the laws.
right. so then the same way that "laws don't really do much to prevent crime", these codes won't do much to prevent harassment. a good person doesn't need laws to tell them to act good. a harasser is gonna harass regardless when triggered by the situation.
but if you want to implement laws/codes/etc as a strategy to lay out expectations and consequences, then its purpose is for the disciplinarian to cover themselves. i suppose that is a decent justification for their existence. then when you kick someone out, you can now point to the codes to say "we warned you, these were our rules, you can't complain/sue/etc". this benefits the project/maintainer/company and if thats the purpose i can't argue with that. but you're protecting yourself. you're not protecting any victims of harassment. the same result would occur for the victims regardless, by the same process of presumably removing the offender even if there were no official codes (although jj thinks this process wouldn't happen, and the offender would be allowed to stay). in that case, the head figure's judgement should be called into question, but if thats the case hes not gonna adopt the code into his project/company anyway
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Originally Posted by adios
My take on the issues Greg has with it is that he believes that potential for abuse is great because people can easily falsely accuse someone of violating the code. Greg if I am misreprenting your view then apologies. If I was running things at GitHub my reaction to this would be, we'll have to see how it works out but the objective of fostering a lot more productive commentary is one we will not compromise on.
fair enough
anyway, ive spent too much time in this thread and need to get back to productive work. i said pages ago that perhaps i'm overreacting to this, so we'll see how it plays out. it just rubbed me the wrong way, and i've tried to explain why. seems like most everyone disagrees so might as well just drop it
Last edited by greg nice; 07-25-2015 at 12:39 PM.