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Originally Posted by casidnet
The code of conduct isn't making the decision for itself. The maintainer still is. So like I said before if you're going to get booted you have to offend at least the person claiming harassment and the maintainer. All this does is give people some more guidelines for how they should act.
right i understand that. but that same process would take effect whether or not the codes were in place. so why add something that offers little benefit, but has definite negatives? obv jj sees a big benefit in these codes because according to him, currently bigotry and harassment is a standard accepted policy, so in that case, they are def necessary. and perhaps you think the negatives are negligible, and then thats your opinion, and fine if so.
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Originally Posted by casidnet
Why are you so afraid of false accusations? How many people have you seen have problems brought along themselves by false accusations related to this sort of stuff?
i saw a story the other day how a man was accused of rape years ago, and the accuser finally admits she made the whole thing up. the man only lost 50 years of his life. no big deal. there's a reason we have 'innocent until proven guilty', because its ultimately better that an innocent person isn't unjustly convicted at the expense few crimes slipping through. unless you think you're smarter than not only the forefathers who conceived of this concept, but also any and everyone after who has critically considered it and upheld its importance. the judicial system failed in that case, but its not a foolproof system when you have human jurors who are subject to sympathy, media, and political correctness
obviously my example above is extreme but the principle is the same. libel is a real danger. how are you gonna get your next job when you were fired from the previous one for harassment (that you didn't commit)? how do you face your family when you have to tell them you were fired for harassment? i wouldn't be surprised if iosys cited a suicide case. there is tangible value in a person's reputation.
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Originally Posted by casidnet
Every other case I've seen has been someone claiming that the harassed over reacted while not denying what they'd done. That isn't a false accusation mate, that is the accused not recognizing their own actions.
well that just comes down to perception. but, if a real example was presented, i may even agree with you. i'm sure what you say isn't uncommon
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Originally Posted by casidnet
Judging from your past comments you're afraid that you won't be able to make off colour jokes/sayings anymore without consequences. That isn't you being attacked or falsely accused either. That is people calling you out on something that you are doing that is wrong. You are admitting it is wrong or else you wouldn't have pointed out that they were controversial.
i'm not afraid of that, because thats not my goal. i'm not trying to rally to win favor so that i can continue to make fun of people. of course i expected backlash when i made this thread. probably most now think i'm an idiot. thats my consequences. ok, i will live with that. it would be quite childish and transparent if my entire intention was to get some personal benefit. i couldn't care less about myself. but seeing another person wronged does upset me, both if someone is wrongly accused, or wrongly harassed (even though you don't believe that). this code opens up much greater possibility of the former while not doing much for the latter
Last edited by greg nice; 07-25-2015 at 01:21 AM.