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01-13-2012 , 05:38 PM

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RoundTower

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Fast hand evaluation algorithms would probably make my list of the top thousand things I'd need to develop a poker site

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01-13-2012 , 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RoundTower

Fast hand evaluation algorithms would probably make my list of the top thousand things I'd need to develop a poker site

LOL

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01-13-2012 , 07:15 PM

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Gullanian

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Even to program the rules of holdem would take a while, I did it once at Uni for limit and it's really quite tricky to do

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01-13-2012 , 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWooster

I would guess that most poker clients are written in C/C++ with some sort of framework.... but really not sure.

VB.NET and C# are probably not the best choices, especially if you want software that is cross platform.

FTP and Stars are C++ and Ongame and Entraction are Java, atleast primarily.

.Net should be alot faster to develop in than C++, and but platform independence would be a problem since mono suck.

The two java networks are sluggish as hell, especially Ongame. Whether this is because of performance differences between java/c++ I dont know, so I dont know if java is a good option. Part of it is prob poor design. I know the ongame main lobby window runs 60 threads. Stars runs 4 or 6 threads for the main window and one extra per table.

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01-13-2012 , 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gullanian

Even to program the rules of holdem would take a while, I did it once at Uni for limit and it's really quite tricky to do

Ive only done this for HU limit, but dont remember it being that big a problem. Will have to try ring game the next few days just to see how to do it.

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01-13-2012 , 07:34 PM

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myNameIsInga

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I dont really understand the big deal about handevaluators. pokersource pokereval is open source and if its on a server you dont have to share any code. Cactus kevs hand evaluator you can use any way you want, but he would appreciate some credit (or a cool swedish T-shirt). Both options should be fast enough

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01-13-2012 , 07:38 PM

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Gullanian

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I think it's just people worrying about scaling before they need to

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01-13-2012 , 10:15 PM

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TheNiggler

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Originally Posted by myNameIsInga

Ive only done this for HU limit, but dont remember it being that big a problem. Will have to try ring game the next few days just to see how to do it.

HU limit is simple compared to 9-max unlimited holdem where you have to program side-pots, players being allin and when you can raise their allin when it gets back to you multiway vs. just being allowed to call.

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01-13-2012 , 10:25 PM

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Gullanian

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Yeah, multiple side pots, missed BB's, etc etc, all these nuances are really tricky to do

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01-14-2012 , 07:33 PM

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duh

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And nobody has mentioned the man-years needed to develop all of the software that isn't the game server or client.

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01-16-2012 , 01:04 PM

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MrWooster

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Originally Posted by duh

And nobody has mentioned the man-years needed to develop all of the software that isn't the game server or client.

Another good point

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01-16-2012 , 01:23 PM

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Gullanian

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I think if you went bare bones on the website you could do it in a week if you went for something as minimal as http://betco.in/ and knew what you were doing

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01-24-2012 , 11:04 AM

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carebearington

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You're basically talking about building an an entire enterprise from the ground up. Even using off the shelf software it's going to be quite the endeavor. I'd bet good money it would take 1-2 months just to scope this software and that's rushing it. With a crack team you could really knock it out quickly. Like say within 1-2 years

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01-24-2012 , 11:13 AM

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carebearington

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Originally Posted by sky4ever

Basic means it would only support holdem, reloadable playchips,etc. If you'd be impressed seeing that done in a couple of weeks, you obviously don't know much programing.

I'm not saying it's a piece of cake but an experimented programmer alone, can do this in a couple of days.

L.E. There are tons of free resources out there on the internet (the most important being fast hand evaluation algorithms).

I'm not too shabby and I couldn't do it in a couple days. I have the capabilities to build what you scoped out relatively easily. Just not in a couple of days.

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01-24-2012 , 10:25 PM

#65

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I taught myself C by writing a HU limit holdem bot that you could play in the terminal with a simple text interface. I didn't use anything but <stdio> and <stdlib>. It took me a good 50 hours or so of actual work. If I had to do it again I'd look for as many libraries to leverage as possible. I'm sure other people have written much better hand evaluation algorithms.

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10-30-2012 , 04:49 AM

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The Hit

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Even if some one was able to pull this off with time and money, how would the licensing part work for this type of business? The company will have to establish an office in "isle of man" etc?

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06-11-2013 , 12:49 AM

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ross913

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I have a very high quality poker software sitting on servers waiting for the right person to use it. It was developed a couple of years ago and we spent well into the numbers everyone talks about here. It is on par with anything available out there.

Unfortunately we ran out of money just after we completed it and a VC that was going to fund us u-turned at the last minute leaving us with some incredible software and a mountain of debt.

I have screenshots and various excel files with financials etc. Hit me up if you want to check it out and maybe there's a business out there we can get together on.

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06-11-2013 , 12:54 AM

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ross913

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I also have an amazing Trivia multi-player game that would work perfectly on FB. Head to head quick fire, original concept was working on a rake system similar to poker. Probably has four or five potential revenue streams. Again, I have screen shots and a fully working software for this, poker and tons of other casino games. All completely owned by me and my partners.

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10-09-2014 , 03:02 AM

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rrothschild

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Can I see the software?

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10-09-2014 , 10:31 AM

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I think if you went bare bones on the website you could do it in a week if you went for something as minimal as http://betco.in/ and knew what you were doing

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