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Old 10-08-2011, 07:59 PM   #16
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Re: Germany 1945 - the other story

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002...ews.features11



the assault on east prussia
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We all know the horrible storys abou nazi germany. Millions of jews were killed.

But it were the german women and children who paid a high price for the crimes of the nazis.

when the soviets came in 1945 more than 12 million germans lost there home. 2 million german women were raped by red army soldiers. gangraped infront of their children. thousands of german children died in the winter on the streets.
This is one thing I think historians should do more of. Seems like all you hear about the wars is how bad the germans were, and the only battles you hear about are the ones the allies won. Feels like the history has been one-sided for long enough imo.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:04 AM   #17
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to me it's kinda funny.

just a few years ago there were wars where people got systematically killed / raped / exploited in death camps. You were in the right to kill a black man or a homosexual or a jew.

nowadays if you run a club and dont allow someone in because of race, your club gets shut down. If you place a job offer looking for a female secretary, you end up in a trial for violating the everyone is equal.
I don't get the point you're trying to make. Nazi Germany and 21st century USA are completely different worlds and not even comparable, even more so than USA and Afghanistan today.

Germany had been ruined completely since WW1: there were political murders daily, street violence, starvation, no coherent government, 8 million people without a job, no real support for those with no money, all your savings are worthless, you live daily with the threat of a Communist takeover. Violence and brutality had become a way of life. Not to mention there being totally different cultures.

Your comparison is about as insightful as saying "isn't it ironic that there's loads of food in America but people in Africa have none?" No, not really.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:14 AM   #18
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BTW I hate that trite quote that history is written by the vitors. It's so demonstrably and obviously untrue.
+1, it's such a lazy and meaningless cliche.
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