Whats a good win rate playing live 10/20 NL? - Page 28 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

I know almost for a fact that Shane aka noluck17 over a 4 year sample (2008-2012)beat the 10-20 commerce game for almost 300hour. No matter what he always would make sure to have the fish at the table covered no matter how much the fish had. And was always at least 10k deep at any point. Being super deep and playing well when deep adds so much Ev to ones hourly

300/hr? hard to imagine leaving a gig that pays ~470k/yr with only 30 hrs/week of play. i can assume he makes more playing online at bovada?

not saying he didn't make 300/hr over those 4 years (anyone can run hot), but thats no way a win rate for this game (both back then and now).

09-07-2015 , 09:34 PM

#677

GnomePoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cstevens

multi tables 1k-2knl on Bovada winning 9.1bb/100 this year so pays more than live

09-14-2015 , 01:57 PM

#678

TheMurderShow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by limon

most players cant handle the truth but ill give it to you anyway. if you can stick around for 5 years and win $120 an hour your in the top 1% percent of all WINNING poker players who have ever walked into the commerce top section.

So thats how the top 1% live.

09-14-2015 , 01:58 PM

#679

TheMurderShow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GnomePoop

multi tables 1k-2knl on Bovada winning 9.1bb/100 this year so pays more than live

aren't the 10/20 games juicier than the 5/10 games on bovada? Or do you always find a whale sitting at 5/10

09-15-2015 , 08:47 PM

#680

GnomePoop

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^^^^^ btw how do I directly quote and answer specific posts like you did above? Lol I'm computer illiterate

Not sure haven't played on Bovada I'm just referencing my boys stats

09-17-2015 , 11:06 AM

#681

TheMurderShow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GnomePoop

^^^^^ btw how do I directly quote and answer specific posts like you did above? Lol I'm computer illiterate

Not sure haven't played on Bovada I'm just referencing my boys stats

hey gnome, just go to the post that you want to quote and hit the button located at the bottom of the post that says "quote" it will bring you to a new message with the quote already written. Hope that helps!

09-18-2015 , 04:30 AM

#682

jamesk777

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMurderShow

aren't the 10/20 games juicier than the 5/10 games on bovada? Or do you always find a whale sitting at 5/10

lol no nl1k is much easier.

09-22-2015 , 04:16 AM

#683

GnomePoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMurderShow

Ty! Lol so easy

10-10-2015 , 12:10 AM

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L1lyR0semary

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10-10-2015 , 12:12 AM

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L1lyR0semary

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10-10-2015 , 12:13 AM

#686

L1lyR0semary

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25 months. Live. Not at the Commerce.

10-10-2015 , 06:25 AM

#687

GnomePoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by L1lyR0semary

25 months. Live. Not at the Commerce.

Which casinos did you play? That's pretty important to know, very nice graph

10-10-2015 , 09:40 AM

#688

L1lyR0semary

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Thanks,

This isn't in the States and I'm under no illusion that I'm a particularly good player, just the games I play in are super soft. I'm definitely in a poker backwater. Put a couple of Shanes in the game and I'd be struggling for a winrate.

From the data I have it looks like live has slightly higher variance than online. It's very hard to quantify though because standard metrics for online winrates and variance are measured in bb/100. bb is fairly meaningless in live games as sometimes people are raising 3x, and sometimes people are sat 2000 big blinds deep and start 20x'ing it pre.

10-10-2015 , 09:49 AM

#689

L1lyR0semary

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In other words, Stack sizes and standard opens are far more relevant than the blinds when assessing the size of the game and potential hourly.

10-16-2015 , 04:29 AM

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spino1i

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So to Nick Rivers or whoever, where does someone go about finding a consistent 25/50 nl or plo game these days? without going to macau..

10-18-2015 , 01:46 AM

#691

j20s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

So to Nick Rivers or whoever, where does someone go about finding a consistent 25/50 nl or plo game these days? without going to macau..

You don't, unless you know where they run outside of casinos.

It's tough enough to be in an area in the US with consistent 5/10 options, let alone 10/25, 25/50 etc. etc.

10-18-2015 , 01:44 PM

#692

spino1i

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i mean most of the time i can find consistent 25/50 action in a casino, but recently theres been a bit of dry spell, with 10/20 plo replacing the usual 25/50 or 50/100 plo game.

Home games at those stakes seem like a recipe to get swindled.

10-18-2015 , 03:45 PM

#693

j20s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

Where are you finding consistent 25/50 anything? Bellagio and/or Commerce?

10-18-2015 , 06:30 PM

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FlyLikeABird

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Quote:

Originally Posted by j20s

Where are you finding consistent 25/50 anything? Bellagio and/or Commerce?

Borgata was running 25/25 PLO pretty consistently for awhile, often more than one table. It's slowed down a bit since the summer ended. Now the biggest NL or PLO game is "usually" 5/10 but 10/25 still breaks out on weekends from time to time. The huge mix games are of course still regular on the weekends as well.

10-19-2015 , 07:43 PM

#695

aling

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Winrates are meaningless without dates. In Macau my winrate was halved each year for three years from 2009-2012 even while increasing stakes. Obviously most live venues wont have such a drastic circumstance but the fact is that winrates gradually but continuously go down. In other words your actually winrate will always be lower than what the chart shows.

10-20-2015 , 12:24 AM

#696

j20s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aling

How can you possibly say this. You posted an extreme circumstance. A 2/5 player at Aria could have easily improved their winrate from 2012 to 2015, or had reasonable deviations either way. Your situation is an outlier relative to most.