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Old 12-25-2007, 06:56 PM   #151
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Looking back what are some things you would change or stress for someone looking to get to your level to do or not to do? Any mistakes you made a lot that took you a few times to learn? All please work it out with CR for more Vids
I definitely made some BR management mistakes. I talk about them a lot, so it probbaly sounds worse than it really was. Realistically, it wasn't THAT bad. I was never at risk of losing everything.

The best thing I ever did for my poker game was meet other people who played poker. My poker friends and coaches helped me move up 3x faster than I would've on my own.

I'd also recommend trying to eliminate autopiloting. Too many players can't make the jump into bigger games because they don't know how to think for themselves. They just play a TAG cookie cutter style and think it will continue working because they crushed the lower limits with it.
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Old 12-25-2007, 06:58 PM   #152
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At what point do you feel playing "abc poker" does not cut it anymore?
I can't really name a buyin level that it stops working.

Basically, as soon as your opponents are smart enough to realize what you're doing, it's no longer effective.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you have to play 30% of hands preflop and c/r every river. You can be a winner in the biggest games playing 16/14 if you want to. You just have to mix up your play and balance your ranges postflop.
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Old 12-25-2007, 07:07 PM   #153
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How long (hands/time) does it take you to identify fish in the games you typically play in?

What are the top 3 or so indicators that first tip you off you are playing a fish? (what are the ones that first surface, as opposed to ones you only figure out over time)

What notes do you take on your opponents? i.e of what you type in the notes section or the mental notes you have?

For the type of notes you had on Ansky for example (i'm not asking about ansky, but about that type of overall "scouting report" -- how do you generate those? ie. see behaviors, typecast people? Or something else?

What are the key reads that you find most important to use? or the ones you use most frequently? ie. how he plays draws? how thin he valuebets? timing tells? etc?

What changes/adjustments from how you play NL do you make shifting to PLO? What were your key learnings about PLO? can you be specific (position, tightness, aggression, draws/made hands, reads, etc

--Greg

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Old 12-25-2007, 07:57 PM   #154
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Had to go buy presents for the roommates. I think I have a couple more hours.

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I know you might not take the time to answer this, but feel free to PM the answer to me or acquire my AIM and we'll talk about it, thanks:

What do you think of leading into the pfr?

I feel like I can comprehend general theory behind it, but I just haven't really worked it into my game, and I feel like I should be "able" to do anything.

If you'd like to just answer your thoughts on it, or your thoughts on balancing (i.e. if I always CR with big hands and bluffs, how okay do you think it is that I'm only leading like 1% of flops, and half of that 1% is a misclick?), as opposed to actual theory of board texture and player types, I will forgive you.

Additionally, feel free to ignore multiway pots and pots where your relative position dictates leading, and just focus on HU pots in button/bb or even just HU in general.
Really good question.

The truth is I haven't figured it out yet myself.

I think leading into the pfr is will become a much more common practice in the future of poker. I think it's the next 3betting light, c/c lead turn, fastplaying sets, or c/r rivers. Each goes in style at one point and then people figure out more about it.

The reason I think I can't figure it out yet is that so much of the value of the play has to do with how your opponent will react to it. I don't really have a good idea of how people react to leads. Some people spazzraise any two, some completely shut down and give up on the pot, and everything in between.

I'm probably afraid to try it more because I usually won't know how to react when I get raised, or called, since the lead evokes such a wide variety of reactions. It puts me in a spot where I have to do a lot of guessing, whereas I usually feel I have a very good grasp of how my opponents play their hand ranges in more standard spots.

The easy way to avoid that is to only lead strong draws, monsters, and air. That way your decisions are easy and you don't have to fear the unknown.

However, I think that optimally, leading a much more well balanced range is best. I just need to figure out how everyone will react to it first and make sure they'll do what I want them to.

One thing to think about is how often your opponent will cbet flop if you check. If someone cbets way too much, I would just let them do it. No good reason to lead into them, unless they react in a way that makes the hand much easier to play. If someone rarely cbets, I think leading is a much better play against them overall.

Also think about players who lead, what they lead with. If, for instance, someone leads all their draws and two pair hands, but checks their sets, air, and weak 1pr hands, you can cbet MUCH more profitably against them since their range is much weaker once they check than the range of someone who never leads.

PM me in a week or so and maybe we can talk more about it. I'm too busy with this thread and other stuff right now.
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:01 PM   #155
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Jman, incredible thread, thanks for doing this.

What do you think is the most important game trait a HU player can have to be successful and why? Tilt control, patience, hand reading, aggression, game selection, etc.?

And what do you think was the most profound concept or tool you added to your HU game while developing it?

Your excerpt on exploiting the psychology of certain player profiles is awesome, I like to think in a similar fashion when playing HU. Please finish that side project and release it.
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:24 PM   #156
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OH, you 3bet too much HU too.
Why do you think this is a leak? In a grander sense, how do you value the creation of a unique image in heads up matches?
Against someone who knows what they're doing, there are only so many hands you can profitably 3bet imo. Otherwise you're putting too much money in with the weakest hand OOP.

Sure you'll take some down preflop and some more with cbets, but the times you don't take pots down, you'll lose a decent amount of chips. I suspect that most ppl get carried away with 3betting because of the mental reinforcement of winning most of the time when they do it.

Winning the most post does not equal winning the most money.

As far as creating an image, you have to know what you're doing, but it's awesome when you can. I usually like to start by playing hands the way I think is most +EV, and then evaluating what my image is. However, I've definitely gone into a match trying to create a certain image from time to time.

I usually like to do it when I know my opponent has certain leaks. I create an image to help reinforce them. So, if he calls to much, I try my best to make it look to him like I'm bluffing all the time. Then I just valuetown him later. Sometimes I'll make what I know are -ev bluffs in smaller pots for the +EV later. Stuff like that.

Is that what you were asking?

Also, I see a lot of players justifying plays they make, saying that they are trying to create or maintain a maniacal image. The plays they make aren't bad, but the justification is, especially since most of them go on and continue bluffing. They should be making the light 3bets and big bluffs, or whatever they're doing, to max their EV in that hand, and to keep their ranges balanced.

They do the same thing in the opposite direction, trying to maintain a solid image.

For the most part, I think you shouldn't try to create a certain image. You should just be able to realize what your image is and play off of it.
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:39 PM   #157
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Thanks for taking the time to do this Phil.
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A. You mentioned that you're a passive person by nature (I'm in this camp as well). Do you think this has helped your game in any way?
Not much, honestly. Being an agressive person by nature is probably best for poker. I suppose it's good that I don't get super involved with pride type issues. If a guy is running me over or talking **** in chat, I don't really feel the need to 'show him who the man is'
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B. Can you describe the biggest differences in your game moving from mid stakes (2/4-3/6) to high stakes (20/40+)?
I started at 5/10nl. Check out my poker story somewhere on the 1st page.

I guess the biggest difference is that I bluff much more now. However, that's as much of a response to my opponents changing as it is to myself growing as a poker player.

I think the main thing is that I think much more clearly about hand ranges. At first, I kind've played my hand more than my opponent. Now I approach every hand thinking about the hands he might have, and the best way to play against each of them.

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I listen to Hip-Hop mostly. I change my favorites a lot. Right now it's Talib Kweli.
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:45 PM   #158
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I'm just a SSNLer, so you don't have to answer this if you don't want.

But what's the deal with 2% milk?
I like 1%, personally. Does that help?
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:54 PM   #159
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Amazing thread. Can I ask what was your background like before poker, like did you play any sports or stuff like Magic cards?
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:55 PM   #160
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when you mucked the hand on high stakes that would have split you the pot, did you know right away or did you actually figure it out when you spoke up. gabe kaplin made it seem like you knew but you didnt want to look stupid. it didnt look that way to me. just wondering.
I haven't watched the episodes. I kind've hated the experience and wanted to forget about it.

It probably took me about 1 minute to realize what I had done. I was much more embarrassed about being a live poker noob on national TV than I was upset about losing the money.
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Old 12-25-2007, 08:56 PM   #161
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jman, I remember you saying that you have a mroe passive style. can you elaborate on this? I myself focus on being way more aggro and it seems to work well at 5/10 so far. I have a hard time wording this question, so i hope you can do something with this info haha.

Also why no more CR vids?
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Old 12-25-2007, 09:02 PM   #162
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I haven't watched the episodes. I kind've hated the experience and wanted to forget about it.

It probably took me about 1 minute to realize what I had done. I was much more embarrassed about being a live poker noob on national TV than I was upset about losing the money.
Would you go on HSP again?
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Old 12-25-2007, 09:52 PM   #163
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Hey Phil congrats on all of your success, I enjoy reading your Bluff Magazine articles.

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Old 12-25-2007, 10:23 PM   #164
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Im sure alot of people agree with that sentiment but I say leave it to the mods, or else this great thread gets derailed.

Jman you talked about betsizing, do you keep yours standard against good opponents or do you try and manipulate them?
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:27 PM   #165
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wot u have in that hand just now against mrcall912 where he had 4's full?
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:28 PM   #166
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I g2g hang out with friends for a while. I'll probably be back later tonight.

I might skip some questions because I'm getting a lot of repeats or similar questions.

Have a good night.
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:29 PM   #167
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Some guy c-raises a river. You fold and he shows a bluff. Right next hand he makes the same play. You have a medium strenght hand. No reads on the guy. What do you do? And how much does the stakes matter?

Again right next hand and you get to the river and have a ok hand. And have position again.
Tell me what would you do in these cases:
a) Last hand you called and won.
b) Last hand you called and lost.
c) Last hand you folded and he showed a bluff.
d) Last hand you folded and he mucked.
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:53 PM   #168
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fukkeneh, your post disgusts me, please remove it from this otherwise very fine well, otherwise I suggest a mod does it + remove fukkenehs location as well.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:03 PM   #169
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hi, awesome thread, anyways here a question, what do u do in this very common spot, u 3 bet a CO raise with lets say AJ, flop comes KJx, what line do u prefer? villian is a solid reg whos a winner and doesnt really do anything crazy.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:31 PM   #170
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Just wanted to say thank you thank you thank you.
Best "well" ever.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:55 PM   #171
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I suspect that most ppl get carried away with 3betting because of the mental reinforcement of winning most of the time when they do it.
wowwww that is very very true
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:06 AM   #172
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Just wanted to chime in and say this thread is awesome.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:10 AM   #173
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Hey Jman. I remember meeting you in Vegas at the Wynn two summers ago. You were with good2cu, playing 10/25 or something. I just wanted to give you thanks for making a 'well' post, and give you props for being one of the best. It was interesting to read how you related your poker style to your personality. Also, this made me laugh out loud because I think the same way:
If I reraise AQ and get called, cbet A98r flop, and the turn is a J, my first thought is '****, what if he has AJ or QT?!'

Do you still played scared like this? Is it really that bad to be a lil scared?

-Lee
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:31 AM   #174
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How wealthy were you before poker? Is the money from poker life-changing in any way?
If so, what kinds of things do you spend the most on? Do you fly first class when you travel? How are you managing your profits in terms of investments, tax planning, etc. How many tables do you play at once (I imagine not many since there is so little action at levels over 25/50NL).

Great topic
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:44 AM   #175
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Jman,

No questions... just wanted to thank you for the excellent thread. You do a great job of explaining yourself clearly and concisely. Very well done.
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