The Well: Jman28 (revisisted) - Page 21 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

xker17x · 12-27-2007, 05:01 PM

thanks for a great thread jman

DaveyDonk · 12-27-2007, 05:38 PM

awesome, gracias

JMa · 12-27-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephenNUTS

EDIT: One question I have after absorbing everything on this thread with admiration.You made a statement about ..."not being happy/jealous" if any of your friends make a big score or something?

You dont seem like the type of guy that would root AGAINST your buddies...or did I mis-understand you or were you serious?

im a little bit like this myself...its not that i root against them, its just that i dont feel genuinely happy when they make a big score

LesterWhite · 12-27-2007, 05:50 PM

MDMA and TWP,
I think what he means is he wants the player to be able to easily play correctly against his range but play incorrectly against his actual hand sounds like double talk but isn't. This is pretty standard no? FWIW I think the double negatives made it confusing.

stephenNUTS · 12-27-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMa

im a little bit like this myself...its not that i root against them, its just that i dont feel genuinely happy when they make a big score

Obviously if you were playing against your friend at a tourney/final table ,I would understand it.....but why wouldnt you want your 'friend' to win, unless it personally affected you in some financial way?

Stephen

oldschool · 12-27-2007, 07:32 PM

gratitude yo.

**Yeti** · 12-27-2007, 07:33 PM

because people don't like to see people they know getting richer than them, even if they are friends. i think it's a pretty common thing, yet one that people are embarrassed about, and no one can really explain. strassa once said i was the only person he didn't mind seeing doing well in a tournament, ha.

jason

great thread jman.

jfish · 12-27-2007, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Jman,

I will hire you as my improv coach.

For my first skit: I'm pretending to be a great poker player. I'm on the button with 98s. UTG, a TAG, opens ...........

haha

SSDas · 12-27-2007, 09:00 PM

I understand if you're getting too many questions so feel free not to answer this.

You said that you're slightly less happier due to poker than you would otherwise be without it, coming from a guy who's made millions from the game i found this suprising, could you maybe elaborate more on why you feel this way? I can imagine that a lot of mid-stakes grinders and people who are less mentaly sound than yourself (*cough*Grimstarr*Cough*) are negatively affected by poker, but i don't get why you feel it's made you less happy.

Also, do you feel you are addicted to poker? Do you believe you could stop playing for a month,6 months, a year if you felt it was having a negative impact on your life?

And once again, you're a ****ing awesome guy and this is a ****ing awesome thread.

raptor517 · 12-28-2007, 01:11 AM

phil, if there was anyone i know that i could model my overall demeanor and outlook on life off of, it would be you. i also wish i had your eloquent flair with words in writing and articulation. whenever i try to spill out my thoughts it comes out as a garbled mess. im going to stop jocking your nuts now and ask..

what are the 2 best and worst aspects of my game?

would i benefit from tommy angelo coaching?

why does durrr tilt me so much, and in so many ways?

when are we going skiing?

ily

inverted · 12-28-2007, 02:36 AM

general thought process while working through a hand?

Jman28 · 12-28-2007, 02:54 AM

K you can keep asking questions, but no promises on anything asked after now.

Actually no promises on any questions but I'll try.

members_only · 12-28-2007, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jman28

I haven't played a ton of nl lately. Maybe I'll make up a cool hand.

Oooooh actually, I'll tell you about a play I like. I didn't name it but I think I'll call it the 'Root Beer'.

$10k stacks.

Loose semi-aggro decent player opens to $350 from the HJ at 50/100. I make it $1300 from SB with AJss or KK.

Flop T54 two spades. ($2700)
I give him the root beer and bet $650

He usually won't have a hand, but he won't want to fold for $650 into that pot. So he can either return my root beer and make it $2500 (I shove, he folds usually), or he can make a float.

Let's say he chooses to float, which he will fairly often.

Turn Qo or T or 7o, or whatever.

There are two options I like on the turn after I root beer the flop.

One is a check shove. That's kind've the logical one, right? We've forced them to float, so we should let them bluff. But sometimes they check behind, and sometimes they have a weak made hand.

What I like to do more is bet $1500 into the $4000.

What usually happens is that they fold, since they don't have a hand. But a lot of times what happens is they think "hmmmm I can't call this, I have 4 outs/no outs/bottom pair. But why did I float then? To take away this pot. RAISE"

They make it $4k and I shove and they fold. Tada!

It also works nicely with bluffs because you lay yourself a nice price.

Apart from pre-flop, this play seems remarkably similar to one some of my, uhh, 'less orthodox' opponents like making at 50-200nl. I now realize I may have been getting 'Root Beer-ed'.

I was wondering if you could explain the logic behind the flop bet in a bit more detail. (I know some of it will be to do with the games you play in but whatever.) As far as I understand it the point is to get your opponent to put more money in on the flop or subsequent streets with nothing, because he feels he can't fold, and then does something stupid. However, if he has anything other than nothing, this doesn't seem like a great bet with AJss/KK because he is getting huge odds for any straight, flush or even overcard/2 pair draw. Given that he's raised from mp and then called a re-raise, why do you expect him to have nothing enough for this to be a good idea? Or am I missing the point?

Hope that makes sense. And thanks for doing this; as everyone else has already said, this is a monstrous well.

pokeriseasy · 12-28-2007, 04:30 AM

Great well, definitely the best one I've seen. No questions but just wanted to say I've already implemented something I read in this thread to my game and it worked to perfection, so basically thanks for making me a better player. I never read any of your articles before but I think I'm going to start.

RikkiDee · 12-28-2007, 04:46 AM

would you ever "root beer" bluff?

i love the idea but I think smart opponents can realize you would never bet 1/5th the pot as a (pure) bluff. Although I may be underestimating the he-man syndrome of the upper stakes.