UB Statement posted in NVG:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=149078

I'm I the only one that thinks this is good news? I'm not going to hold my breathe waiting to be reimbursed but i think this is a v. positive step forward.

stealthcow-

hopefully you are the only one that thinks this is good news.

this announcement is crap. if they are actually telling the truth it's second-rate marketing pap. that's a big if. there is little reason to believe these people will do anything but the bare minimum to address "public outcry" and will not safeguard the site.

anybody currently playing on UB is an idiot. anybody playing there "because the games are soft" is playing right into their hands. can't you see you should boycott UB indefinitely? folks this is your livelihood and our game. if you do not take a stand here you will face this again...and again...and again....and oh look, they're doing another two-month investigation while they see if the internet poker community will just forget about the whole thing.

what happens when someone with real skills gets one of these accounts? there are at least 50 people here on 2+2 who would have the sense and skills and patience to win "only" 9ptbb/100 for life, a few hours here and there, in the higher-stakes games, 1-2mil a year real quiet, no one could prove anything. everyone will just wonder if it's Prahlad. how do you know that's not happening right now? how do you know one or two of the respected high-stakes players in HSNL doesn't have one of these accounts? you don't.

if you don't send a loud and clear message to the poker sites not to mess with you, you will put yourselves out of a job.

UB will draw this out a bit, find there were "discrepancies" or some bull**** like that, and refund the affected players their money. they'll say "the site is secure now. we've identified the security breach and taken strong measures verified by an independent party (that would be the party they held on their yacht) to prevent this from ever happening again." they will lie. you know this. you expect them to lie. why are you still playing there?

these people do not care about you or the game. all they care about is revenue. they have made that abundantly clear by ignoring this for two months. there is no "oh but" here. blatant cheating was identified, proven statistically, and reported to the site. and they did nothing. they do not care about the integrity of the game unless it affects their bottom line. you shouldn't play on UB. none of you should. send the message: sites must protect the integrity of the game or suffer real consequences. and then tell all your friends UB really is rigged. after all, that's just the truth. lobby them to stop playing there. if you take this crap you deserve to lose.

No, I think this is actually the best news we've heard throughout the entire investigation. Phil did hint to me in several ways that he thought UB had made a statement on this site admitting that at least Nionio was cheating but I told him I hadnt seen it, apparently they actually did post one.

Matt Flynn, 100% agree. Well said.

Wrote UB this mail:

Got this answer:

Great! Now we have three different threads in three different groups on this. NVG, HSNL (Original) and IG. Can we lock down two of them with links to the sticky here?

No, the more people who know about this the better.

....a lot of people are out a lot of money i agree

I agree but, can we at least have one thread which will contain all the responses so we don't risk missing one? Is this possible?

QFT! This attitude should be shared by everyone

LOL @ the template email answer.

They don't really seem to care.

The KGC/Mohawk Internet Technologies host nearly 500 poker/casino/sportsbooks including FT and Stars.

The Canadian government has as much chance as a snowball in hell of closing down the servers or enacting US style regulations.

The following statement is quoted directly from GamingIntelligenceGroup.com.

Following complaints from players, UltimateBet has confirmed that it has found evidence of ‘abnormal’ playing activity at its online poker site.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]UltimateBet and its licensing authority, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC), were alerted on January 12th to allegations that a player with the online handle “NioNio” exhibited abnormally high winning statistics, resulting in accusations that the player had an unfair advantage during play.

The allegations also included reports of suspicious activity concerning the deletion of the NioNio account and other accounts that may have been related to the cheating.

UltimateBet says it immediately called in an independent third-party expert to review “hundreds of thousands of hand histories, all of which were promptly locked down and made available to the expert”.

The company went on to say: “The initial findings of our third-party expert confirm that the NioNio account’s winning statistics were indeed abnormal, and we have expanded the investigation to look into whether an unfair advantage existed, how such a scheme might have been perpetrated, and whether additional accounts beyond those of NioNio were involved.

“The investigation has proven to be extremely complex and, therefore, has been more extensive and taken much longer than initially expected. We continue to aggressively pursue the matter and will communicate the findings of our full investigation to our regulatory authority and to our customer base as soon as practicable.”

UltimateBet is owned by Tokwiro Enterprises enrg. and headed by the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, Jo Norton. The company also owns AbsolutePoker.

Earlier this year the KGC fined AbsolutePoker $500,000 following an investigation into similar cheating allegations. In that case, the perpetrator(s) were found to have used a ‘backdoor’ in the poker software which enabled them to view other players ‘hole cards’.

The fact that Tokwiro Enterprises is again at the centre of cheating allegations will come as a significant blow to the company as well as the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, who’s investigation of AbsolutePoker was labelled a whitewash due to its lack of detail and limited financial penalty.

If these latest allegations are substantiated, the KGC will have little option but to impose a significant enough penalty to deter such activity in the future and to maintain its authority as a credible licensing jurisdiction.

i hope they get that d-bag, I didnt play NioNio but I remember a while back i played HU vs this really suspicious player. usually when i get my ass handed to me I just deal with it, and thinking that someone is "cheating" is definetly not the reaction someone should have unless they really feel strongly about that. when i played HU with this guy he did exactly as cheater would. I tried to trap countless times, he would check fold. even when I fastplay it, he seemed like he knew. and i swear, EVERYTIME i bluffed he would simply call me down. very frustrating.