the amount taken from superusers has to be in the millions. This is sickening.

Yes very good work uncovering this, nobody is likely to think anything else (except UB heh), but really, this "we told you so"-thing is getting rather old, dplnyc has been repeating it over and over now in this thread, and really, at that point with that original post, I'm fairly sure a lot of people still would treat your "proof" as nothing but coincidence and definitely not anything even close to conclusive. You presented a few hands that didn't illustrate much cheating at all and a rather small number of hands.

The fact you continued with your investigation is obviously marvelous, but stop the whole "wow and to think some people almost stopped this dead..oh my, guess you should've listened to us in the first place"; it's just plain annoying.

Anyway, minor thing in comparison to actually reaching the result you got, my hats off at least.

I think in the end we will find that the case(s) on UB will also turn out to be an insider similar to what happened on AP.

Considering that FTP has some very reputable people from the poker world involved, I am a lot more confident that there is not a problem there.

As for Stars... Generally in a case like AP/UB the root cause is piss poor programing. Stars has always invested in their software (same with FTP). I would be very surprised if Stars has a problem.

Yea, that comment towards Ike and Krantz was unnecesary. In their defense the info provided at first was not all that great, however our point of the original post was to try and get other players to send us their hh's and other info. I just thought it was uncalled for for them to treat us like they did in the post. Hopefully no hard feelings towards either of them

scepticism is healthy, because it encourages the claimants to go forward and prove stuff, rather than just assert it.

if the email from phil is real, this is a vindication of your work - well done.

I obviously have no idea what their intent will be but unable to retrieve doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as will not reimburse losses. We will see.

I hope you guys get your money back.

It makes me wonder how many times I have been cheated without knowing it.

To think that UB and AP are the only ones would be really naive.

Eh that is good and bad news huh

I can't imagine the site not compensating anyone, I agree they don't have to contractually or whatever, but in the name of good business it seems like a necessary cost.

Also disheartening to find the other names brought up to be 'superusers' in my database ughh.

That'll hurt your bottom line, what do you think Trambo you staying or going after this?

It all depends on how UB handles matters from here. If we receive a full refund along with a full explanation/investigation then I will probably continue to play there, just not as much as i do now. However it still scares me that there is a possibility that the cheaters are still on UB, just they have smartened up now and are winning say 8-10ptbb/100 as opposed to 60. This would be very easy to do and no one would be the wiser

Wow....Very scary..... Question to Trambo, JMX and Stealthcow, have you uncovered any suspicious hands from 10/25 on UB? Just wondering because I have tons of played/datamined hands that I could look through.

HOVA

i dont have that many hands on the other players mentioned

But all my hands on NIo and others ~900 or so are from 10/25 PLO

Good job guys, pretty sick that this was going on at UB like this at the same time. I'm kinda excited to see how this plays out.

The vast majority of hands on all of the alleged accounts are 25-50 and 50-100, which seems odd in itself. Im pretty sure he rarely played 10-25 on any of these accounts but probably had a few sessions here and there when no games were running. To be sure we would have to check with http://www.mypokerintel.com to receive a full detailed log of the players' sessions

I am done playing on UB, if they dont take the necessary steps soon (starting back w/ refunding everyone cheated).
I am still wondering if I have played with nio, (got lazy and stopped using PT but name is familiar) and I have been playing a decent amount of 25/50.

can someone please move this thread to NVG.. I thnk a majority of posters dont read high stakes

Speculating, but I wonder if this has anything to do with UB removing those 50-100 tables. That seemed a bit odd to me, but maybe it's part of something? Coverup? Who knows.

I don't think we need it there. The whole point is to alert high stakes players who may have played hands with NioNio. I think once a full investigation including a response from UB has concluded then a new thread should be released.

Interesting. When did they remove these tables? OF course this is just wild speculation and they could have been removed for any reason but it seems like quite a few "coincidences" at once.

Does AP own 100% of UB?

"Tokwiro Enterprises is a private company that owns two online poker cardrooms, Absolute Poker and UltimateBet." from wikipedia.

i never said i told you so. i was simply commending fsulplayer for keeping the original thread open long enough for the investigation to build steam. the POINT is not i told you so, rather, fsulplayer had a LOT of heat from "famous" posters to take the thread down. the fact is, he choose not to, instead he chose to give some less famous posters (myself/trambo) the benefit of the doubt. THAT should be commended. Anything related to "i told you so" is meaningless.

the bottom line is, this investigation would have been killed if not for fsuplayer. period. people can say: "good job trambo/gaucho" all they want. but they should really thank fsuplayer. he deserves more credit than both of us.

also. ty to omniheart for posting the original .jpegs. both trambo and i were too computer illiterate to figure out how to do so.

and of course to snaggle for hh analysis.

Is there anything we can do to make sure that nobody who worked at UB or AP and knew about this **** is working there next month?

Sorry to keep asking about this, but it seems like this might help to put a timeline on the suspected cheating activities, much like the Absolute thread and the clear and concise timeline which began with the software upgrade before the cheating. The only reason I ask is that the two sites are connected in some way, the specifics of which I dont pretend to know. And AGAIN, if this is a non-issue, I apologize, its just that no one has responded to the other two posts.

persecute != prosecute imo

To be honest I have no idea if they had any upgrades at that time but the info can probaly be easily attained on their website