Ok some background:

Been playing this guy for about 3 hrs 2 tabling so have a good feel for his game. He 3b's quite a bit. Wasnt using a hud but id guess 15% of hands or so. He usually shut down after cbetting flop in 3b pots unless the turn was a really good 2 barreling card. Seems to be a decent hand reader. His ranges had been pretty polarized up until now, and id caught him just flatting in the bb with KQ, AJ type hands a lot.

I had been overbet bluffing the river a ton, and he still hadnt called any of my river bluffs. Only time he called my overbet was when i had the nuts. Had also not seem him hero call rivers at all except for one time early when he rr'd with AQ and I called with 7s. Flop TxTc2c, he bet, i call. He chk called 3/4 pot bets on blank turn and river.

Ok hand: (Sry for not converting, I suck at teh internets)

Full Tilt Poker Game #13326105428: Table Scoop (heads up) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:11:32 ET - 2009/07/11
Seat 1: EIephant ($4,642.25)
Seat 2: Annette_15 ($2,797.25)
Annette_15 posts the small blind of $5
EIephant posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Annette_15 [Kd Qd]
Annette_15 raises to $30
EIephant raises to $115
Annette_15 calls $85
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6s 3s]
EIephant bets $165
Annette_15 calls $165
*** TURN *** [Jd 6s 3s] [Qh]
EIephant bets $280
Annette_15 calls $280
*** RIVER *** [Jd 6s 3s Qh] [4s]
EIephant bets $700
Annette_15 has 15 seconds left to act
????????


I hadnt seen him valuebet super light in these spots before, so I thought his vb'ing range would be something like QK+. So I guess my question is... does my line look strong enough that he'll fold out random 2 pair hands and overpairs, or should I just be calling river to bluffcatch since my hands is pretty strong? Would appreciate ur thoughts.

Thanks

call ?

Elaborate?

if you know he valuebets light and is getting fed up of your river shoves and you can get a call of Jx then go for it, but I just prefer a call.
I mean if he's called the river once and you've had the nuts and he doesn't hero call I don't see any reason to light money on fire.

this is a pretty easy call. the 4s is such a "scarecard" that he probably wouldn't have too much trouble putting you on some hand like J9 or 88 that's turning itself into a bluff to make this call with QJ~, especially if he feels like you've been putting lots of moves on him. he can have plenty of standard semibluffs that you beat like AK, KTs, T9s, ATs, and he'll almost certainly be valuebetting KJ, AJ, Q9, QT, KQ. the hands that you have a chance of making him fold here with a shove are AA, KK, QJ, AQ. he also has a lot of flushes in his range ; somebody with a 15% 3-betting frequency isn't going to be 3-betting hands like 63s or J6s. if he's 3-betting that little, then he'll choose better hands to be 3-betting, and a lot of them on this board if they bet three times will be flushes.

I dont like your flop float a whole lot. I think raising or folding is better. And I call the river.

Assuming villain is aggressive and has a high chance of firing three barrels as pfr aggressor you can never ever fold here and float profitably.

Edit: Also he has too many flushes in his range relative to strong one pair hands for you to turn your hand into a bluff.

i would never bluff shove this.

if the guy is a big enough nit that he can't be bluffing enough to make a call profitable then just fold and take his money slowly over time.

if the guy is a tough player that can 3-barrel and bluffs good scare cards (this board got scarier on both the turn and river) then your hand is more than strong enough to make the call.

i feel like the 15% number was just a guess and probably wrong, cause she said he had been 3betting a decent bit.

anyways, definitely prefer a call. from what it sounds like he's barreling these particular turn/river with a huge # of hands, lots of bluffs. i think it's just that simple in this case, especially given he's rly polarized everywhere call >>> shove.

Doesnt your second comments contradict your first one?

And obv +1.

Floating with K high is one thing vs an aggressive player but so many bad turns + rivers calling several streets with F all is hard.

why on earth would he be valuebetting KJ? fwiw in reference u can check KJ here (from his POV if unclear) and have ur villain prolly bluff a pretty decent amount of their made hands that figure the ev is just higher in turning them into bluffs than taking the showdown since their range looks so strong on this particular card and the fact that u didnt try to bluff it.

if its a call/shove/fold i think is player dependant. Yea he can rep a flush here but i mean so can you, why wouldnt u have xxss in ur range here? dont think its a ding ding autobarrel at all in his shoes.

^^^Yeah, thats the problem, I dont think hes gonna fire three barrels too much against me. I forgot to add that I made a calldown against him earlier with A high in a pretty big pot and I was wrong, so that would probably make him less likely to bluff me.

I could be wrong about the 15%, but I did see him show down 45s in a 3b pot, and also since his range was very polarized and he wasnt 3b'ing hnads like KQ and AJ, then surely the last 10% of his 3b range will include trash hands that would hit this board?

Maybe trying to get ppl off a top pair+ hand is unecessary and I should be just folding river here more often than not if I cant beat any part of his bvaluebetting range. My hand plays just like 45 on this board, and I would never consider calling with it against this player, but I would probably turn it into a bluff some % of the time, which is why I considered doing it with a hand as strong as KQ.

call

u have a way better cardremoval with ur KQ tho if u wanna turn made hands into bluffs

based on info, f>c>>r. Against many players I'd call here tho

The float is fine sometimes obv

Yeah, I think you mean if you wanna CALL.

It will also make him more likely to value bet thin. Go with a call here

nope, did not mean that
edit: and yea that changes quite a bit if he views u as very hero-cally

So where do u draw the line on which hands u call river with? Is it just because u have the top of ur range for bluffcatching here that youd call? What about 8s? 45s?

Makes sense...

u dont draw a line for ur bluffcatchingrange (well clearly u have to consider if hes turning better hands into bluffs some % of the time to thats a huge problem) but except that u dont, if he views u as really cally he might go really thin for value and clearly KQ beats quite a bit of a thin valuebetting range but other than that theres no need to draw any lines

This float is far from bad..... a bad float would be calling with like 97 here. To say the float is bad is COMPLETELY wrong, actually.

ez call vs anyone competent tbh

awful spot to shove, definitely a call