This whole thread has made me to throw-up in my mouth!

Ok have cleaned up a bit, and the piece of info that intrigues me the most is that he knows that you don't have a flush here so therefore he either is bluffing the flopped flush or did indeed flop it.
Given his image and that fact that he is such a siko and could easily make this play I'd call if bankrolled as TC is, but spew everywhere if he had just outed me on the River!
(I think it's very rare he has a straight here unless he R'vd it)

KK with K clubs impossible?

I shove turn and fold river. I think he has QcJx. I also raise flop...

ding ding

with the pot being 25k on the river and eff stacks being 33k, how much are we betting on the river if somehow krantz checks? (i assume we're betting)

haha ec10 is growing on me.

dean, your man crush is weird.

eff stacks are 23k on river

solid slams all around.

Dirty hand, I like the flop raise or/and a turn shove....unless you're calling the turn with the intention of calling the river. I mean there are a lot of scare cards that come off on the turn and to me (from krantz's eyes) it would seem to me that you have almost a drawing hand rather than a made hand (as a made hand would want to protect itself, yes?).

So, sending the signal that you are weaker than you actually are, I prob call, but would def HATE to see a QJc type of hand. That's what I'm afraid of.

I disagree. I think this turn is much more profitable vs a player like Krantz than 95% of hsnlers. However, I think TC severely misplayed the turn. I suspect Krantz has QcJx and is semibluffing with 15 outs in a spot where he could only get reraised by the very top part of TC's range (which he happened to have but failed to make the right play). I really think that if a complete brick hit the river Krantz would be very inclined to check fold making the call/call play pretty awful.

I know who you are so this is not really suggesting you are wrong just probing for info

He is OOP, and KRANTZ if he has KcXc more often than not with a PSB Taylor is folding right behind him, unless he has a pretty nice hand. Being that he 3 Bet PF (has been doing it liberally) and taylor just calls, if he flops the nuts this is a good bluff inducing and drawable bet imo.

both good points. i could definitely bet small on the flop to try to induce some things but being this deep and considering we don't have much history in rred pots i would be betting bigger a vast majority of the time. i likely was just clicking the slider to a random bet between 2/3 and 3/4 pot and not paying much attention on the flop. and if i wasn't paying much attention on the flop then i didn't flop a flush or set. it's interesting to see that in hindsight but unfortunately for tay when the hand is happening it's hard to process that quickly.

BUT all that doesn't rule out the possibility that I could have turned or rivered a set or straight.

Raise flop or raise turn.

As played call river.

And I think there are hands that he valuebets on river worse then a set of tens.

You think he check raises the turn with those hands?